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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    They used the drone to execute a lawful search warrant at minimum risk to life or property. This is what law enforcement should be doing. Hell of a lot better than no-knock warrants and warrantless wiretapping.

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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    Satellite and airplanes are already *up there*
    Why is this a new concern? They're doing no more than anyone else has already *been* doing for quite some time.

    Issues concerning Google as an invasion of privacy have been taken to court - and the courts have ruled that public domain = air = not an invasion of privacy.

    If someone's done something that would net a WASP being deployed (which doesn't come cheap, btw) then I most certainly won't be standing in the way - more so - I'd like that person to get OUT of my neighborhood.

    You do not have an expectation of privacy over your outside yard - or even through your open windows. If someone can see in, then you're being publicly viewed. . . laws don't state things quite so bluntly but the rulings of many different court cases have supported this view.
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Satellite and airplanes are already *up there*
    Why is this a new concern? They're doing no more than anyone else has already *been* doing for quite some time.

    Issues concerning Google as an invasion of privacy have been taken to court - and the courts have ruled that public domain = air = not an invasion of privacy.

    If someone's done something that would net a WASP being deployed (which doesn't come cheap, btw) then I most certainly won't be standing in the way - more so - I'd like that person to get OUT of my neighborhood.

    You do not have an expectation of privacy over your outside yard - or even through your open windows. If someone can see in, then you're being publicly viewed. . . laws don't state things quite so bluntly but the rulings of many different court cases have supported this view.

    Which is the 4th amendment?

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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    The right of the people to be secure only in their houses with the tinted windows, windows shut,blinds and curtains shut, doors locks, and x-ray thermal imaging proof walls and roof.
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    I have to agree with other posters who have said if these drones are used to fulfill the role that helicopters are normally playing, then I cant find too much reason to be against them.
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    With all of the budget deficits that cities are facing, why in the hell is this even being discussed. There is no money, so there should be NO drones.

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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    With all of the budget deficits that cities are facing, why in the hell is this even being discussed. There is no money, so there should be NO drones.
    This is an important point, one that I agree with completely.

    Do we have an indication that drones are cheaper than helicopters?
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    This is an important point, one that I agree with completely.

    Do we have an indication that drones are cheaper than helicopters?
    On Wiki, it quotes the cost per unit around $4million, that sounds much more expensive than the upkeep on a helicopter.

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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    I don't see why people are freaking out over the cops using a drone for a warranted search. Now, if the cops did this without a warrant, I would be pretty pissed, but I don't see how a drone is unacceptable and other methods are.

    BTW, I'm a bit hazy on the costs of a drone vs the cost of a helicopter, but I have a feeling that the drone is a waste of money. The cops probably just wanted an excuse to justify the expense.
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I don't see why people are freaking out over the cops using a drone for a warranted search. Now, if the cops did this without a warrant, I would be pretty pissed, but I don't see how a drone is unacceptable and other methods are.

    BTW, I'm a bit hazy on the costs of a drone vs the cost of a helicopter, but I have a feeling that the drone is a waste of money. The cops probably just wanted an excuse to justify the expense.
    I can think of some reasons to not want these for civilian law enforcement use.

    1.Some cops will use these without a warrant because there already some people who thinks the 4th amendment only applies only if someone is in their house with the windows shut, curtain closed and so on. Some will just let civilians use these to spy on people for them.

    2.A precursor to these things being everywhere.

    3.civilians getting their hands on these.Technology becomes cheaper overtime.
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    1.Some cops will use these without a warrant because there already some people who thinks the 4th amendment only applies only if someone is in their house with the windows shut, curtain closed and so on. Some will just let civilians use these to spy on people for them.
    Something that would get thrown out in any court of law.

    2.A precursor to these things being everywhere.
    Police are everywhere, why are these different?

    3.civilians getting their hands on these.Technology becomes cheaper overtime.
    Civilians can already access this technology for relatively low amounts of money.
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