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    Re: GOP brand pronounced dead in deep-blue California

    ahnold tried, got shellacked, gave up

    in the special election of may, 05, the gubernator sponsored four extremely sensible, conservative propositions, trying to go over sacto's head to the voters

    led by the nurses, CA kicked ahnold's ass

    spending caps, teacher tenure reform, parental notification before teenage abortions, union dues used for political purposes only with express permission of members...

    the gub went 0 for 4

    since then, he's been largely irrelevant

    my state is bankrupt, has been for the better part of a decade

    worse, CA is hopeless, paralyzed by despair, no one looks to sacto for solutions

    not anymore, not for a long time

    the special of 09 registered complete disgust with the ruling class out here on the left coast

    props 1a thru 1e---increased contributions to rainy day fund, increased funding for primary ed, borrowing from future lottery proceeds, reallocation of cig tax, one time adjustment of state income tax---backed by the establishment entire, from ahnold to bustamente to the cta and seiu to the msm's...

    they fell by margins of 30, 24, 28, 32 and 32, respectively

    my state has given up, sacto's assemblies have given up

    as for moonbeam:

    After spending nearly 20 years working his way back to the pinnacle of California politics, Jerry Brown is risking it all with an opening gambit that will either lead his distressed state to solvency or leave him in political ruin.

    Brown’s bet is that the fear over California’s enormous $25 billion budget hole will give him a six-month window to unite the state’s many powerful warring factions for the greater good – even as each of them takes a major hit.

    He’s expecting the state’s dominant state employee unions to sign on to major cuts in salary and services, business to back tax increases and the counties to deal with an enormous shift in expenses onto their books.

    On top of that, Brown needs the dysfunctional legislature in Sacramento to cast votes designed to cut services and increase taxes. Even if he can persuade his party to go along with the painful cuts – and that’s a big if – he needs the votes of several vulnerable Republicans in both the state Assembly and Senate to assemble the two-thirds majority needed to approve a budget.
    Jerry Brown takes a big risk - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com

    CA was the only state in the union effectively to resist the wave that made tsunami tuesday, it is still strangely blue

    but change is worldwide, liberal methodologies from greece to los angeles have flatly failed

    cuz if the eu can turn...

    austerity is the new byword

    and if moonbeam can't pull off his gambit, a very far reach...

    he's depending on a special election this june to get his taxes

    watch and see

    on another note, redistricting, more crudely called gerrymandering, has been taken away from the legislature and given instead to an "independent" panel

    lines could not be drawn more advantageously for dems out here than they've been for a generation

    the new boundaries can do nothing but help the minority CA

    it's pensions and medicaid that are killing us

    CA declares fiscal emegency

    ie, more failed liberal experiments

    stay up
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    Re: GOP brand pronounced dead in deep-blue California

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    The whole west coast, the northeast, and some places inbetween are pretty much lost to the gop. The gop doesn't represent their values. The dnc does.
    But within that sea of blue are oases of red. Run Conservatives in those districts and, while the state may stay blue, more representatives are added to the House. This is where I believe a difference can be made. There are diamonds for the taking, in 2012, in that thar rough.
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    Re: GOP brand pronounced dead in deep-blue California

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    last year was pretty much a historic 'wave' year for Republicans. They flipped the House pretty thoroughly, and took out not a few supposedly 'safe' Democrat seats.

    of the 53 Representatives that California rates in the House of Representatives, after the historic wave of 2010, 18 of them are Republicans.

    of the 2 Senators that California rates in the Senate, neither of them are Republicans.

    hint: if, in a wave year, still only 1/3rd of your districts vote for a Republican.... then you are a blue state.
    Note that only one of the two senate seats was up for election, it was Boxer who is popular, and she still only got 52 %.
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    Re: GOP brand pronounced dead in deep-blue California

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Except that isnt true at all.

    I dont see any justification for calling California liberal.
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    Re: GOP brand pronounced dead in deep-blue California

    Anyone SERIOUSLY want to look at California and cite it as a glaring example of liberal political success? Just because something is massively liberal and democrat...well...how much debt does the state carry? How much did the fed have to gift it just to pay its teachers? What is the future for places like LA county? WHat is Californias current and projected employment future?

    Seriously kids...I full on support the rights of liberals and Californians to seceede and hope every conservative in California gets the message and closes shop and leaves.

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    Re: GOP brand pronounced dead in deep-blue California

    Republicans are dead in California and will not return during the lifetimes of anyone existing today.

    Now Democrats control everything in this state. And now is the time to bring this state to its knees as an abject lesson to the rest of the country about the consequences of leftist governance.

    There is no way Jerry Brown can make the numbers pencil out. He has no hope of success. The best thing for conservatives to do is to exacerbate the agony and spread the demoralization among leftists. Bring California down and leftist ideology will be swept away.

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    Re: GOP brand pronounced dead in deep-blue California

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Anyone SERIOUSLY want to look at California and cite it as a glaring example of liberal political success? Just because something is massively liberal and democrat...well...how much debt does the state carry? How much did the fed have to gift it just to pay its teachers? What is the future for places like LA county? WHat is Californias current and projected employment future?

    Seriously kids...I full on support the rights of liberals and Californians to seceede and hope every conservative in California gets the message and closes shop and leaves.
    I respectfully differ on the best thing for old conservatives to do. Young conservatives should save themselves and their families by leaving. Old conservatives should stay and gum up the works. Demand entitlements. Put stress on the state's budget. Demoralize young leftists with the tax burden they bear in order to give us extra pocket money for greens fees. **** them up every way possible.

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    Re: GOP brand pronounced dead in deep-blue California

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    It was not historic, it's happened every year after an election.
    Link to the last year that a party picked up 65 seats?

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    Re: GOP brand pronounced dead in deep-blue California

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The way I see it, the Republican Party did this to itself, by throwing it's support, not to any of the Conservatives who were running against Gray Davis, and who could have easily beaten him, but to Arnold Schwartzneggar, an avowed Liberal on many issues. Thus, the introduction of this poison pill into California politics, by the GOP, has tarnished the Conservative brand beyond repair in the near future.

    However, I disagree with the consensus of the political observers. While Conservatism is on life support in California, at the present time, it is not dead. We must look past the next few years, roll up our sleeves, and rebuild the Conservative movement. It will take years, but I believe it can be done. And when it is finally done, the Republican Party must make a promise to never again back a RINO in California. Although the governorship looks out of reach for a while, there are still Congressional districts that can be won. Each one of those is additional insurance that will help the Republican Party stay in control of the House, and that is what is important. There are still red districts in California, and it's more than a few. Some of those are blue for the moment, but with the right direction, they can become red again.

    Time to roll up sleeves and get to work. Yes, I believe that California is still on the table. The GOP brand has no place to go in that state but up, and that is a silver lining in an otherwise very dark cloud of the Republican Party's own making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Republicans are dead in California and will not return during the lifetimes of anyone existing today.

    Now Democrats control everything in this state. And now is the time to bring this state to its knees as an abject lesson to the rest of the country about the consequences of leftist governance.

    There is no way Jerry Brown can make the numbers pencil out. He has no hope of success. The best thing for conservatives to do is to exacerbate the agony and spread the demoralization among leftists. Bring California down and leftist ideology will be swept away.
    Are you seriously advocating causing harm and misery to further an agenda?
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    Re: GOP brand pronounced dead in deep-blue California

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I respectfully differ on the best thing for old conservatives to do. Young conservatives should save themselves and their families by leaving. Old conservatives should stay and gum up the works. Demand entitlements. Put stress on the state's budget. Demoralize young leftists with the tax burden they bear in order to give us extra pocket money for greens fees. **** them up every way possible.
    Take entitlements? That kind of flies in the face of Conservatism, don't you think?
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