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Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

why did abercrombie lie?
 
Because the long form is the legal document

Let me ask you, do you believe no one supervises this other than birthers on the web?

What he produced is all anyone has had to produce. Why do you treat Obama differently?
 
Let me ask you, do you believe no one supervises this other than birthers on the web?

What he produced is all anyone has had to produce. Why do you treat Obama differently?

then why did abercrombie lie? if he has produced all anyone has to produce, why did abercrombie lie and say he had more?
 
Let me ask you, do you believe no one supervises this other than birthers on the web?

What he produced is all anyone has had to produce. Why do you treat Obama differently?

What is different? Where is the legal long form
 
What is different? Where is the legal long form

At this point it wouldn't make a difference if he provided the legal long form or not. Some will remain skeptical regardless. They will demand to know why it took him so long to provide that or they will claim that the newly released version is a forgery and blah blah blah. It's never ending. It's just like the 9/11 Truther people or the people who claimed that Bush stole the Presidency. It never ended. People need to deal with the fact that Obama is the President.
 
I'm pretty sure the mind of every philosopher in ancient Greece just exploded. DO YOU KNOW WHAT A NON-SEQUITUR IS?

Sure I do. It appears that you et. al. don't.
 
comprehend much? that is not what I am saying.

what I am saying is if you continually bleat on and on about how stupid the birfers are, and ignore the fact that many on your side were just as stupid over Bush's records it is a classic case of pot calling kettle black.

it was no big deal when libs were harassing Bush and he should've just given them everything they wanted, but the birthers are being ridiculous for wanting Obama to do what the libs insisted Bush do.

I have at times pointed out that many of the attacks against Bush where stupid. He did not cause or allow 9/11 to happen. He did not lie us into war. He is not part of the illuminati. He is not evil. He is also not the topic of many discussions these days, and I really don't care that much.

Further, I am not responsible for any one else but me. If Joe Blow says something stupid, it does not make me a hypocrite for pointing out stupidity when I see it. Calling some one a hypocrite when they are not being hypocritical is stupid, and right now that is the stupidity I am pointing out.
 
I have at times pointed out that many of the attacks against Bush where stupid. He did not cause or allow 9/11 to happen. He did not lie us into war. He is not part of the illuminati. He is not evil. He is also not the topic of many discussions these days, and I really don't care that much.

Further, I am not responsible for any one else but me. If Joe Blow says something stupid, it does not make me a hypocrite for pointing out stupidity when I see it. Calling some one a hypocrite when they are not being hypocritical is stupid, and right now that is the stupidity I am pointing out.

Agree with everything but his dishonesty about the war. ;)
 
Because the long form is the legal document

Just out of curiosity, I dug out my files and looked to see what I have used for a birth certificate all my life. Surprise, it's a Certificate of Live Birth. It got me a drivers license, it got me into the military, it has served every single time I needed it.
 
Just out of curiosity, I dug out my files and looked to see what I have used for a birth certificate all my life. Surprise, it's a Certificate of Live Birth. It got me a drivers license, it got me into the military, it has served every single time I needed it.

Does it have your race, your mother's race, your father's race, yout birth weight, length, etc.?
 
Does it have your race, your mother's race, your father's race, yout birth weight, length, etc.?

Yes to all of that, and damn you for making me dig it out again to check.
 
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then that is your long form

The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department.

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Hawaii officials tell requesters the same thing over and over: State law prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who doesn’t have a tangible interest in the matter. For those coming in late, Obama requested and obtained a copy of his own birth certificate and released it publicly in 2008, after which we examined it and found all in order. The document is legal proof of citizenship, and it’s the only type of birth record the state issues. Nevertheless, some wanted more. So Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the state health director, issued a statement saying that she has seen the original vital records verifying that Obama was born in Hawaii and "is a natural-born American citizen." But that hasn’t stopped the inquiries.

The Obama Birth Chronicles, Chapter CCXCVIII | FactCheck.org

Notice Mother's and Father's race is on this. Also read the bottom line of the form.

http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
 
Just out of curiosity, I dug out my files and looked to see what I have used for a birth certificate all my life. Surprise, it's a Certificate of Live Birth. It got me a drivers license, it got me into the military, it has served every single time I needed it.

What I have from the state of Montana is a short form. It has that information on it, but it is not the long form. I suspect different states vary on what information they include. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. How did you come to think it was the short form?
 
What I have from the state of Montana is a short form. It has that information on it, but it is not the long form. I suspect different states vary on what information they include. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. How did you come to think it was the short form?

I have no clue if it is "long form" or short form. It is a Certificate of Live Birth, which is good enough for everything I have ever needed it for. It is a legal document, just as Obama's is a legal document.
 
I have no clue if it is "long form" or short form. It is a Certificate of Live Birth, which is good enough for everything I have ever needed it for. It is a legal document, just as Obama's is a legal document.

Long form.

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Short form.

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Mine is neither of those, and looks closer to the bottom than top.
 
I have no clue if it is "long form" or short form. It is a Certificate of Live Birth, which is good enough for everything I have ever needed it for. It is a legal document, just as Obama's is a legal document.

Sounds good. You earlier response made that clear to me after I posted. I think the forms still vary from state to state.
 
Are immigrants issued BC's from their new state of residence? Anyone know how that works?
 
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