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Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

X Factor said:
I wasn't being sarcastic at all. Your point is a good one.
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Sorry I didn't mean to sound hostile. Given the discussion I was just surprised that someone would actually think I had a good point. And obviously the belief that there was some conspiracy to retroactively place that notice there is pretty laughable, given that it's right on the microfilm.

Unless Obama was actually born outside of the US, and someone could see into the future and knew that the circumstances of his birth would be up for debate and therefore deliberately placed a bogus ad in the paper, I think that it's at least good evidence that he was born where and when he said he was born. The above scenario seems rather implausible to me.
 
OscarB63 said:
good luck, never gonna happen. I'm not a birther and I'm not suggesting that the document doesn't exist, just saying we will never see it.
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It's already been posted on the internet.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Sorry I didn't mean to sound hostile. Given the discussion I was just surprised that someone would actually think I had a good point.
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No offense taken, SB75. I can be sarcastic on rare occasion.:mrgreen:
 
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StillBallin75 said:
Sorry I didn't mean to sound hostile. Given the discussion I was just surprised that someone would actually think I had a good point. And obviously the belief that there was some conspiracy to retroactively place that notice there is pretty laughable, given that it's right on the microfilm.

Unless Obama was actually born outside of the US, and someone could see into the future and knew that the circumstances of his birth would be up for debate and therefore deliberately placed a bogus ad in the paper, I think that it's at least good evidence that he was born where and when he said he was born. The above scenario seems rather implausible to me.
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or, someone with the power and influence of POTUS could arrange to have the birth notice put into the archives after the fact. it's really not that hard to fake up a newpaper and put whatever you want in it. unless someone just happened to have an original copy of that day's paper laying around.

not saying I believe that, just devil's advocate on what the birthers might argue.

basically, a local paper is not an official document therefore a birth notice in the paper is not legal proof of birth. :shrug:
 
apdst said:
I don't see one single doc that shows an AWOL charge. Unless you can come up with a document, or at least his commander saying that he was AWOL, then he wasn't AWOL.
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Never claimed he was charged with being AWOL. How many times must something be repeated before you get it? I wasn't charged either, formally. But I was AWOL.
 
or, someone with the power and influence of POTUS could arrange to have the birth notice put into the archives after the fact. it's really not that hard to fake up a newpaper and put whatever you want in it. unless someone just happened to have an original copy of that day's paper laying around.
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There must be copies of that newspaper on microfilm all around the country. I think that for there to be a conspiracy to retroactively change all of that is pretty hard to do, even if they wanted to do it. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the birth notice in the paper was discovered prior to him actually becoming President?

not saying I believe that, just devil's advocate on what the birthers might argue.
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Agreed.

basically, a local paper is not an official document therefore a birth notice in the paper is not legal proof of birth.
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Also agreed. But there would have to be a pretty massive and complex operation to change all those records if he actually wasn't born here. IIRC he has already shown his "short form" birth certificate to the public, which should be proof enough for any reasonable person. But I guess they want the REAL real thing.
 
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American said:
Let's see them, and they better be better and not that **** we saw years ago.
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I've already posted a few. And as it was examined a few years ago, that's where the time frame they will be found in. :coffeepap
 
StillBallin75 said:
His birth was recorded in the newspaper. How much more proof do you really need? I understand he did provide the "short form" birth certificate.
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American said:
Look, are you baiting someone to argue a newpaper clipping with you; or are you just not smart enough to know that anyone can post a birth notice in the paper? Is a newpaper clipping official? Then can we do away with birth certs?
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StillBallin75 said:
Not in the case of Obama's birth notice. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin only print info from the Department of Health Vital Statistics.
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Even if what you said is true, if Obama hadn't actually been born in Hawaii on that day, how would explain the existence of a birth notice in the first place? Someone just randomly decided to make a baby's name up and put in the paper for the hell of it?
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From the WND article linked to in the Washington Independent article StillBallin linked to in post #270:

The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, for example, according to its website, now reprints birth information it receives from Hawaii's Department of Health.

"We don't have an editor who handles birth and marriage announcements; we print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System," a Star-Bulletin newsroom operator explained to WND.

The operator said, "This is how we've always done it."

Read more: Hawaiian newspapers don't prove birthplace Hawaiian newspapers don't prove birthplace
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StillBallin75 said:
The Honolulu Star-Bulletin only printed what they received from the state government. You seem to be suggesting that "His birth was recorded in the newspaper. Anyone can post whatever they want in a newspaper. Therefore it isn't proof that Obama was born."

However you fail to give any alternative explanation for why that birth notice is there in the first place.
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It's what many of us have been saying for over 2-years now. How can there be so much evidence in support of the President's U.S./NBC birth and people still have such doubts? I had always wondered exactly how birth information was disseminated to the local Hawaiian newspapers. Here where I live, that information is provided by the local hospital. So, I guess I can understand how the "birthers/truthers" question the validity of the birth announcement information assuming they are basing the distribution of such information on their own local procedures. In this case, since a representative from the Honolulu Star-Bulletin has stated exactly how birth information gets submitted to them prior to publishing the birth announcement, this issue really should be put to rest assuming people follow the evidence to its logical conclusion, towit:

Child is born, birth information is submitted to local health department by either the parents or the hospital, birth is indexed in health department registry, birth announcement is published based on information provided to local newspaper by local health department, birth certificate is produced upon request to those with a tangible interest.

Normal, if not fairly typical, chain of events that happens to all individuals born here.
 
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X Factor said:
I dared breathe earlier that I have a question about why the birth certificate cannot be produced so I was immediately characterized as a birther. Okay, fine, then. I hereby promise and affirm that, if a verified valid vault copy of the birth certificate is produced, I will no longer have that question in my mind. Further; I will not suggest that it is a forgery, nor question why it took so long to produce. I even post an apology for allowing that question to even enter my mind in the first place.

Fair enough? Now let's see it.
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The fact that you still have doubts makes you a birther. You don't need to see the "long form" certificate. You already have proof.
 
Deuce said:
The fact that you still have doubts makes you a birther. You don't need to see the "long form" certificate. You already have proof.
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What proof is that?
 
Deuce said:
The fact that you still have doubts makes you a birther. You don't need to see the "long form" certificate. You already have proof.
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Correct. What Obama provided is all that is required, and more than enough to satify any reaosnable person. You are a Birther, a nutter so to speak, if this is not enough for you.
 
Boo Radley said:
Correct. What Obama provided is all that is required, and more than enough to satify any reaosnable person. You are a Birther, a nutter so to speak, if this is not enough for you.
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says the guy who still won't accept Bush's NG records as proof. nutters indeed.
 
OscarB63 said:
says the guy who still won't accept Bush's NG records as proof. nutters indeed.
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Accept? I've used his record as evidence. The record is more than just his discharge status.
 
Boo Radley said:
Accept? I've used his record as evidence. The record is more than just his discharge status.
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birf, birf birf, birf birf birf birf....birffer.
 
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A-well-a birf, birf, birf, well the birf is the word
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Whovian said:
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A-well-a birf, birf, birf, the birf is the word
A-well-a birf, birf, birf, well the birf is the word
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A-well-a birf, birf, birf, well the birf is the word
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don't you know about the birf?
 
i suppose that since state troopers, fbi agents, members of the military all have to show a certified copy of the birth certificate, not the certificate of live birth, it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to have a law saying you have to birth certificate on record with the FEC to run for President?
 
Zyroh said:
i suppose that since state troopers, fbi agents, members of the military all have to show a certified copy of the birth certificate, not the certificate of live birth, it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to have a law saying you have to birth certificate on record with the FEC to run for President?
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odd that the newspaper announcement of my birth wasn't proof enough for the army to let me enlist.
 
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