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Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

apdst said:
They were going away, before Abercrombie came in to save the day.
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He shouldn't matter, at all. There is no reason for this to come up at all.
 
apdst said:
The only question I have, is why don't Obama go ahead and put this to bed, once and for all. I don't question his citizenship. Never have. I've even expressed that I hope we don't find out that he's not eligible to be president, because it would be very bad for the country; which is why I think it would be in the best interest of the country to settle the issue, for good.
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The only question I have, is why the government won't go ahead and put to rest the notion they had anything to do with 9/11, once and for all. Just answer all the conspirators questions that they ask and fully open up the governments records. I don't question that the government was involved. Never have. I've even expressed that I hope we don't find out that he's the government caused or allowed 9/11 to happen, because it would be very bad for the country; which is why I think it would be in the best interest of the country to settle the issue, for good.

Hmmm, the above sounds familiar. Sounds like....stuff I routinely hear from Truther's who deny they're truthers. "We're not saying the kooks are right...we're just saying, we should answer all their questions because they're somehow legitimate".
 
Zyphlin said:
What? Where did I say you said that? Of COURSE you wouldn't say that, then it'd be obvious to show you're a birther. No, you're much like the truther's who don't say that 9/11 was an inside job...they just think there are some QUESTIONS that the government really should answer, or that the government just looks bad by not answering their questions, or that you know its not unreasonable to have those questions, and other such code statements for "I"m a truther but don't want to be honest about the fact I'm a truther".
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I don't know anyone who denies he's a citizen. To be president though, you have to be a natural born citizen, which is unlike other public office. If I had to, I could produce a birth certificate within the hour. I cannot help but wonder why Obama can't or won't.

Wait, never mind. Found it.
Obamas_Birth_Certificate.jpg
 
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Zyphlin said:
The only question I have, is why the government won't go ahead and put to rest the notion they had anything to do with 9/11, once and for all. Just answer all the conspirators questions that they ask and fully open up the governments records. I don't question that the government was involved. Never have. I've even expressed that I hope we don't find out that he's the government caused or allowed 9/11 to happen, because it would be very bad for the country; which is why I think it would be in the best interest of the country to settle the issue, for good.

Hmmm, the above sounds familiar. Sounds like....stuff I routinely hear from Truther's who deny they're truthers. "We're not saying the kooks are right...we're just saying, we should answer all their questions because they're somehow legitimate".
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Now, you're comparing apples to oranges.
 
apdst said:
Send Abercrombie an email and tell him, don't tell me.
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Why? I could care less about him. The fact is ample evidence has been given. There is no legitimate reason to question his status. None.
 
the governor of hawaii apparently thinks the evidence so far made public isn't ample

qed

but who cares about the governor of hawaii

we have BOO!

LOL!

the final authority on all things wik!
 
Boo Radley said:
Why? I could care less about him. The fact is ample evidence has been given. There is no legitimate reason to question his status. None.
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I never said otherwise. I think that your Obama blinders won't allow you to see that.
 
X Factor said:
I don't know anyone who denies he's a citizen. To be president though, you have to be a natural born citizen, which is unlike other public office. If I had to, I could produce a birth certificate within the hour. I cannot help but wonder why Obama can't or won't.
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Honestly, I don't know anyone who thinks Bush himself PLANNED 9/11. However, you don't have to actually plan it to allow it to occur to push your political agenda. If I had to, I could clearly show you what I knew before 9/11 occured. I cannot help but wonder why Bush can't or won't.
 
Zyphlin said:
Honestly, I don't know anyone who thinks Bush himself PLANNED 9/11. However, you don't have to actually plan it to allow it to occur to push your political agenda. If I had to, I could clearly show you what I knew before 9/11 occured. I cannot help but wonder why Bush can't or won't.
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Oh yeah? What did you know before 9/11? Please provide proof. Bet I can get my birth certificate first. There's a difference between asking someone to prove a negative assertion (e.g. I didn't know 9/11 was going to happen) and a positive one (I was born in the US).
 
X Factor said:
Oh yeah? What did you know before 9/11? Please provide proof.
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Nothing at all about any attacks. I have no recorded contact with any government intelligence officials, records of being a college student in Newport News with little to no history of interest in politics.

Bet I can get my birth certificate first
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You could show me a birth certificate. Meh, its fake. I don't believe its real. Its a forgery. You bought it off some online store or some guy in a back alley. Its a fake one gotten illegally from someone misusing the system. Its an obvious forgery.

I demand you present even more proof than just your birth certificate.

See, I can be just like the birthers. Strangely, just like the truther's too.

The belief that somehow throughout his near decade of time in the public service, and all through the campaign, the major political groups both backing him and opposed him could not properly vet him and check these things is ridiculous. Why should he keep bothering with this BS? Because a bunch of conpsiracy nuts demand for more "evidence" when there's been plenty more than they deserve already shown to them and all of it ignored or rebuffed in stereotypical conspiracy theorist fashion of "Um...no, that's not good enough. Um, it could be a fake, or...well...we want MORE! MORE proof!"
 
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Shouldn't this thread be moved to conspiracy theories?

Jus' saying...
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
It has been made plain by the behavior and arguments of many of those who continue to trumpet this issue that nothing the President does will satisfy their concerns about his citizenship.

Taking further action will only give the most ardent of his detractors more pieces of paper to accuse Hawaii's government of forging.

When you're in a lose-lose situation, you pick the loss that requires the least effort so as to preserve your energy for battles you can actually win.
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I can imagine the possible future where this document is released and the conspiracy theorists will just insist it was faked. Why else did it take so long for it to be released?
 
megaprogman said:
I can imagine the possible future where this document is released and the conspiracy theorists will just insist it was faked. Why else did it take so long for it to be released?
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Why won't the government be more transparent about 9/11!? What are they hiding?

-9/11 report is released-

This report is just white wash! Its obviously just disguising the truth. It doesn't counter or FACTS!

-Poular mechanics debunks their "facts"-

They're science is faulty! They're just sheep who are going along with the government story. There's still questions man! QUESTIONS!

and the cycle goes on and on...

Conspiracy Theorists don't care about truth, they care about their agenda and their conspiracy. Anything can be denied if you wish to ignore reality, common sense, and logic and grasp at straws...which is how truthers, birthers, mooners, and on and on survive. For every bit of truth they ignore the 99% logical answer and grasp for that 1% "OMG QUESTIONS!" as if that proves anything and they demand MORE answers. And when reasonable people see them for what they are and give up dealing with kooks, then the kooks use that to try and justify it as some kind of "proof" they'r really right when in reality, they're just kooks.
 
Zyphlin said:
Nothing at all about any attacks. I have no recorded contact with any government intelligence officials, records of being a college student in Newport News with little to no history of interest in politics.



You could show me a birth certificate. Meh, its fake. I don't believe its real. Its a forgery. You bought it off some online store or some guy in a back alley. Its a fake one gotten illegally from someone misusing the system. Its an obvious forgery.

I demand you present even more proof than just your birth certificate.

See, I can be just like the birthers. Strangely, just like the truther's too.

The belief that somehow throughout his near decade of time in the public service, and all through the campaign, the major political groups both backing him and opposed him could not properly vet him and check these things is ridiculous. Why should he keep bothering with this BS? Because a bunch of conpsiracy nuts demand for more "evidence" when there's been plenty more than they deserve already shown to them and all of it ignored or rebuffed in stereotypical conspiracy theorist fashion of "Um...no, that's not good enough. Um, it could be a fake, or...well...we want MORE! MORE proof!"
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Right, next time I'm pulled over and an officer demands my driver's license, I'll just get all incensed, accuse him of being a truther, and give him your arguments instead. :roll:
 
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apdst said:
I never said otherwise. I think that your Obama blinders won't allow you to see that.
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See what? The evidence has been clear and unquestionable. He provided all that is required for anyone running for office. There is no reason to even question his birth or qualifications.
 
X Factor said:
Right, next time I'm pulled over and an officer demands my driver's license, I'll just get all incensed, accuse him of being a truther, and give him your arguments instead. :roll:
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No, that'd be if you showed him your liscense and he went "I don't know, I mean...you could've forged that. I demand to see evidence you even should legally have that". Then you produce your certification for your drivers ed course which causes him to go "Sure, but I mean...anyone could've taken that in your name, or you could've taken it and just never got a lisence! I demand you show me the DMV records proving it". So then you call the DMV and they confirm you definitely have your liscense, but he gets incensed because he can't physically see those records so thinks that the DMV is just obviously covering for you....
 
Zyphlin said:
No, that'd be if you showed him your liscense and he went "I don't know, I mean...you could've forged that. I demand to see evidence you even should legally have that". Then you produce your certification for your drivers ed course which causes him to go "Sure, but I mean...anyone could've taken that in your name, or you could've taken it and just never got a lisence! I demand you show me the DMV records proving it". So then you call the DMV and they confirm you definitely have your liscense, but he gets incensed because he can't physically see those records so thinks that the DMV is just obviously covering for you....
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This is why Obama is handling birthers just right. No matter what is given, they are not going to believe it, and you should not give the idiots any attention. Obama has beedn determined to be eligable to be president by the people who matter. It's all over.
 
The belief that somehow throughout his near decade of time in the public service, and all through the campaign, the major political groups both backing him and opposed him could not properly vet him and check these things is ridiculous..
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You do know that Berry was promoted as the first African born person to run for Illinois State Senate???

I guess you also missed Michel telling a crowd in Kenya that she was happy to be in Berry’s home country??

There is no reason to even question his birth or qualifications.
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His birth place is irrelevant. A natural born citizen has to have a mother and a father that were loyal citizens of this country and Berry had an African father of record and a mother that hated this country until the day she died. Berry is not Natural Born no matter where it happened.
 
Iron River said:
You do know that Berry was promoted as the first African born person to run for Illinois State Senate???

I guess you also missed Michel telling a crowd in Kenya that she was happy to be in Berry’s home country??



His birth place is irrelevant. A natural born citizen has to have a mother and a father that were loyal citizens of this country and Berry had an African father of record and a mother that hated this country until the day she died. Berry is not Natural Born no matter where it happened.
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You.

Are.

Wrong.
 
The Mark said:
You.

Are.

Wrong.
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Perhaps he's wrong on the, "African born", part. But, Obama is definitely being hailed as the first black president, which isn't true.
 
apdst said:
Perhaps he's wrong on the, "African born", part. But, Obama is definitely being hailed as the first black president, which isn't true.
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:prof

Political spin need have no basis in reality, because it's reality is exclusive unto itself.

:mrgreen:

President Obama is the first POTUS I know of with skin dark enough to be considered "black" by those who give a damn.

Personally, I don't.
 
The Mark said:
:prof

Political spin need have no basis in reality, because it's reality is exclusive unto itself.

:mrgreen:

President Obama is the first POTUS I know of with skin dark enough to be considered "black" by those who give a damn.

Personally, I don't.
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He's not, "black", and I don't care what color his skin is. He's just as white as he is black.
 
apdst said:
He's not, "black", and I don't care what color his skin is. He's just as white as he is black.
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Who in the hell defines these kind of things, anyway?

HAS anyone defined them?

What’s the definition of “black”? Outside the color, that is, and in that case, no one is “black”.

Really friggin’ dark brown, perhaps, but…
 
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