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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't see one single doc that shows an AWOL charge. Unless you can come up with a document, or at least his commander saying that he was AWOL, then he wasn't AWOL.
    Never claimed he was charged with being AWOL. How many times must something be repeated before you get it? I wasn't charged either, formally. But I was AWOL.

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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    or, someone with the power and influence of POTUS could arrange to have the birth notice put into the archives after the fact. it's really not that hard to fake up a newpaper and put whatever you want in it. unless someone just happened to have an original copy of that day's paper laying around.
    There must be copies of that newspaper on microfilm all around the country. I think that for there to be a conspiracy to retroactively change all of that is pretty hard to do, even if they wanted to do it. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the birth notice in the paper was discovered prior to him actually becoming President?

    not saying I believe that, just devil's advocate on what the birthers might argue.
    Agreed.

    basically, a local paper is not an official document therefore a birth notice in the paper is not legal proof of birth.
    Also agreed. But there would have to be a pretty massive and complex operation to change all those records if he actually wasn't born here. IIRC he has already shown his "short form" birth certificate to the public, which should be proof enough for any reasonable person. But I guess they want the REAL real thing.
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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Let's see them, and they better be better and not that **** we saw years ago.
    I've already posted a few. And as it was examined a few years ago, that's where the time frame they will be found in.

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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    His birth was recorded in the newspaper. How much more proof do you really need? I understand he did provide the "short form" birth certificate.
    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Look, are you baiting someone to argue a newpaper clipping with you; or are you just not smart enough to know that anyone can post a birth notice in the paper? Is a newpaper clipping official? Then can we do away with birth certs?
    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Not in the case of Obama's birth notice. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin only print info from the Department of Health Vital Statistics.
    Source

    Even if what you said is true, if Obama hadn't actually been born in Hawaii on that day, how would explain the existence of a birth notice in the first place? Someone just randomly decided to make a baby's name up and put in the paper for the hell of it?
    From the WND article linked to in the Washington Independent article StillBallin linked to in post #270:

    The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, for example, according to its website, now reprints birth information it receives from Hawaii's Department of Health.

    "We don't have an editor who handles birth and marriage announcements; we print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System," a Star-Bulletin newsroom operator explained to WND.

    The operator said, "This is how we've always done it."

    Read more: Hawaiian newspapers don't prove birthplace Hawaiian newspapers don't prove birthplace
    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The Honolulu Star-Bulletin only printed what they received from the state government. You seem to be suggesting that "His birth was recorded in the newspaper. Anyone can post whatever they want in a newspaper. Therefore it isn't proof that Obama was born."

    However you fail to give any alternative explanation for why that birth notice is there in the first place.
    It's what many of us have been saying for over 2-years now. How can there be so much evidence in support of the President's U.S./NBC birth and people still have such doubts? I had always wondered exactly how birth information was disseminated to the local Hawaiian newspapers. Here where I live, that information is provided by the local hospital. So, I guess I can understand how the "birthers/truthers" question the validity of the birth announcement information assuming they are basing the distribution of such information on their own local procedures. In this case, since a representative from the Honolulu Star-Bulletin has stated exactly how birth information gets submitted to them prior to publishing the birth announcement, this issue really should be put to rest assuming people follow the evidence to its logical conclusion, towit:

    Child is born, birth information is submitted to local health department by either the parents or the hospital, birth is indexed in health department registry, birth announcement is published based on information provided to local newspaper by local health department, birth certificate is produced upon request to those with a tangible interest.

    Normal, if not fairly typical, chain of events that happens to all individuals born here.
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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I dared breathe earlier that I have a question about why the birth certificate cannot be produced so I was immediately characterized as a birther. Okay, fine, then. I hereby promise and affirm that, if a verified valid vault copy of the birth certificate is produced, I will no longer have that question in my mind. Further; I will not suggest that it is a forgery, nor question why it took so long to produce. I even post an apology for allowing that question to even enter my mind in the first place.

    Fair enough? Now let's see it.
    The fact that you still have doubts makes you a birther. You don't need to see the "long form" certificate. You already have proof.
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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The fact that you still have doubts makes you a birther. You don't need to see the "long form" certificate. You already have proof.
    What proof is that?

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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The fact that you still have doubts makes you a birther. You don't need to see the "long form" certificate. You already have proof.
    Correct. What Obama provided is all that is required, and more than enough to satify any reaosnable person. You are a Birther, a nutter so to speak, if this is not enough for you.

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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Correct. What Obama provided is all that is required, and more than enough to satify any reaosnable person. You are a Birther, a nutter so to speak, if this is not enough for you.
    says the guy who still won't accept Bush's NG records as proof. nutters indeed.
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