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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, the conspiracy theory is when you still want to see the birth certificate when you already have documented proof and a statement by the appropriate government officials that constitute proof in a court of law that Obama is a US citizen.
    I haven't involved myself too much in the specific debate, but to my understanding what was displayed was the 'short form' and there's a 'long form' that has a footprint and extra details. The point was that the short form has a greater potential of being forged then the long-form which is filled out at birth... but I view the whole issue as a distraction from larger issues.

    Either, he really was born in hawaii, and he's just making himself look shady by keeping his records secret...
    Or, he was not born in Hawaii, and people are using that information to black mail Obama into pushing a certain agenda...

    But, if it can be shown that he is not in fact eligible, then anything he signed gets repealed...so, in a sense I kinda hope the case can be made, but I don't see how even as you describe it would be theorizing conspiracies??? I mean, it's just asking to see the long-form...

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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I would say it is a political ploy to make fair number of people look like they belong in the nut house
    It's starting to look like Obama hass something to hide.

    Conventional wisdom dictates that Obama should just produce his long form and put this to bed, forever.
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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's starting to look like Obama hass something to hide.

    Conventional wisdom dictates that Obama should just produce his long form and put this to bed, forever.
    Ya but if you think about it, people who are convincd he's not a citizen won't be persuaded by anything he puts out. It goes beyond concern or paranoia that the President may not be a natural born citizen it also has to do with politics as well. There's no other reason why more people on the right believe he's not a citizen. I think the proof should have been provided in the hawaii newspaper which announced his birth, to take a conspiracy that far back is impossible. I can't think of any reason why the newspaper would run an announcement that a kids been born in their state if it wasn't the case.

    By putting out the birth certificate he's just going to continue and feed this kind of argument, surely you can see that the first thing many birthers will say is that its a fake or that because of this current delay in its release was only to buy time to make a fake one.

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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Ya but if you think about it, people who are convincd he's not a citizen won't be persuaded by anything he puts out. It goes beyond concern or paranoia that the President may not be a natural born citizen it also has to do with politics as well. There's no other reason why more people on the right believe he's not a citizen. I think the proof should have been provided in the hawaii newspaper which announced his birth, to take a conspiracy that far back is impossible. [/b]I can't think of any reason why the newspaper would run an announcement that a kids been born in their state if it wasn't the case.[/b]
    You make a good point, but you still can't get a driver's license with it.

    By putting out the birth certificate he's just going to continue and feed this kind of argument, surely you can see that the first thing many birthers will say is that its a fake or that because of this current delay in its release was only to buy time to make a fake one.
    Actually, by producing his BC, he'll give alotta people a great big **** burger to eat. Why pass up that political oppurtunity?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Obama isn't a citizen. In fact, I hope it isn't revealed that he isn't. It would be awesome to expose him for a fraud--which he is, BC, or no BC--but the **** storm it would cause wouldn't be worth the laugh.
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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Hey looky people, a birth certificate.



    Here's some more pics. FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

    Look, here's a print from a newspaper showing he was born.



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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Hey looky people, a birth certificate.



    Here's some more pics. FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

    Look, here's a print from a newspaper showing he was born.



    Do you really think it's be possible to become a senator, then a president,without ever once proving that you are, in fact, an American?
    It is, if no one made you produce an actual BC. Do you think that Obama used this newspaper clipping?
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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Hey looky people, a birth certificate.



    Here's some more pics. FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

    Look, here's a print from a newspaper showing he was born.



    Do you really think it's be possible to become a senator, then a president,without ever once proving that you are, in fact, an American?
    Another thing, trottin' out this newspaper clipping as proof that Obama is an American citizen, is just as goofy as the birfers claiming that he isn't.
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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It is, if no one made you produce an actual BC. Do you think that Obama used this newspaper clipping?
    Well, the obvious answer is that he did indeed produce a birth certificate, and it satisfied whoever performs the background checks.
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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Another thing, trottin' out this newspaper clipping as proof that Obama is an American citizen, is just as goofy as the birfers claiming that he isn't.
    Why? It shows he was born in Hawaii, unless it's a forgery too.
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    Re: Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Well, the obvious answer is that he did indeed produce a birth certificate, and it satisfied whoever performs the background checks.
    What backgorund checks? I have to produce mor documentation to have a commercial driver's license than a politicians does to run for office.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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