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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

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    Who are "we" and why is it the Government's role to provide for the "richest" people on the face of the earth? It boils down to what is a personal responsibility vs. a govt. responsibility. I have seen nothing that justifies Obamacare or the massive expansion of govt. to handle state and local issues.
    That's not even the argument. I'm not arguing for socialized health care, I'm just arguing against the point that American can't afford it. That point is incredibly invalid.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    We have close to 20% unemployment so spending will do nothing but bankrupt the country
    True, that's why it would take a redistribution of spending. Slash government programs in half like the unsuccessful war on drugs and the inadequate and grossly expensive Department of Homeland Security. Slash 2/3 of welfare programs. Slash military spending in half by taking all of the bases out of places like Bulgaria, Spain, Japan, Italy, Portugal, the Netherlands, the UK. We have the money, we're just spending it in stupid places.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    True, that's why it would take a redistribution of spending. Slash government programs in half like the unsuccessful war on drugs and the inadequate and grossly expensive Department of Homeland Security. Slash 2/3 of welfare programs. Slash military spending in half by taking all of the bases out of places like Bulgaria, Spain, Japan, Italy, Portugal, the Netherlands, the UK. We have the money, we're just spending it in stupid places.
    Obama with his socialist agenda will not let that happen

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    That's not even the argument. I'm not arguing for socialized health care, I'm just arguing against the point that American can't afford it. That point is incredibly invalid.
    There is a difference between what Americans can afford and what the govt. thinks Americans need and thus has to be funded by the Federal taxpayers. there really is a lack of understanding about the taxes we pay and the actual role of the Federal Govt. I have no problem helping people truly in need but let's have an honest debate on who those people are and how many really need taxpayer help on any issue.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama with his socialist agenda will not let that happen
    Neither would Bush. The idea that Republicans are small government is dated.

    "Ryan Sager reports that at last week's 33rd annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, on the issue of federal spending many were pushing for a return to Reagan policies versus those of this President Bush. Rep. Mike Spence told the audience:

    'Whether it's called 'compassionate conservatism' or 'big government Republicanism,' after years of record increases in federal spending, more government is now the accepted Republican philosophy in Washington.'"

    RealClearPolitics - Commentary - Reagan vs. Bush: Federal Spending and Budget Deficits by John McIntyre

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    Neither would Bush. The idea that Republicans are small government is dated.

    "Ryan Sager reports that at last week's 33rd annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, on the issue of federal spending many were pushing for a return to Reagan policies versus those of this President Bush. Rep. Mike Spence told the audience:

    'Whether it's called 'compassionate conservatism' or 'big government Republicanism,' after years of record increases in federal spending, more government is now the accepted Republican philosophy in Washington.'"

    RealClearPolitics - Commentary - Reagan vs. Bush: Federal Spending and Budget Deficits by John McIntyre
    Love your signature like which of course was taken out of context. Fact remains given the choice I had between Bush vs Gore, Bush vs. Kerry Bush was my choice and I chose wisely. Don't let that fact get in the way of trying to give me a cheap shot.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Love your signature like which of course was taken out of context. Fact remains given the choice I had between Bush vs Gore, Bush vs. Kerry Bush was my choice and I chose wisely. Don't let that fact get in the way of trying to give me a cheap shot.
    After the destruction that man brought to our country by increasing spending, regulations, and the size of government, anyone who still stands by that vote is unpatriotic and not a true conservative in my opinion.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    After the destruction that man brought to our country by increasing spending, regulations, and the size of government, anyone who still stands by that vote is unpatriotic and not a true conservative in my opinion.
    Thing about conservative is. He'll continue to say well "Obama put Bush's spending on steroids".

    Because spending is really really important to him. Really important. so is the debt and the deficit. And the constitution.

    He feels very strongly about those things.

    So much so, he basically gives Bush a pass on the patriot act (unconstitutional) but that's ok because democrats voted for it too... which makes it ok... which is odd if you think about it.

    He gives Bush a pass on deficit spending and adding to the debt because Obamas worse.

    So much so, that he feels so strongly about these subjects. That he has a president that added to teh debt, did things that were unconstitutional, increased the deficit and started 2 wars as his avatar picture.

    Go ****ing figures.

    But its ok. Because Obamas worse. Yeeeeeeeeep...

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    After the destruction that man brought to our country by increasing spending, regulations, and the size of government, anyone who still stands by that vote is unpatriotic and not a true conservative in my opinion.
    LOL, unlike you I look at the total results not selective results but don't let logic and common sense get in the way of your personal biases. A vote for anyone other than Bush in 2000 and 2004 would have put Gore or Kerry in the WH. That is reality, sorry.

    There is much that Bush did that I didn't like but none of it destroyed the country. A lot of misinformation about what he did gave us Barack Obama. You show that lack of knowledge with most posts. There are two things and two things only that really affect this country, first is national security and Bush put our security first. Second is a pro growth economic policy and Bush did that with his across the board tax cuts and incentives to the private sector to grow and create jobs. Without a strong military nothing else matters, and without a strong private sector economic this country would be another European disaster.

    Bush tried to reform entitlements but was thwarted by the Democrats in the Senate. It would help you a lot more if you did more and better research on exactly what results Bush actually generated instead of buying media rhetoric.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Thing about conservative is. He'll continue to say well "Obama put Bush's spending on steroids".

    Because spending is really really important to him. Really important. so is the debt and the deficit. And the constitution.

    He feels very strongly about those things.

    So much so, he basically gives Bush a pass on the patriot act (unconstitutional) but that's ok because democrats voted for it too... which makes it ok... which is odd if you think about it.

    He gives Bush a pass on deficit spending and adding to the debt because Obamas worse.

    So much so, that he feels so strongly about these subjects. That he has a president that added to teh debt, did things that were unconstitutional, increased the deficit and started 2 wars as his avatar picture.

    Go ****ing figures.

    But its ok. Because Obamas worse. Yeeeeeeeeep...
    Do you realize that in every post you divert to Bush and ignore what is going on right now? Bush isn't in office and as pointed out Bush beat the alternative of either Gore or Kerry. You further ignore basic U.S. civics which isn't surprising. Bush couldn't spend a dime without Congressional approval and in 2001-2002 and 2007-2008 that was a Democrat controlled Congress. I find it interesting how dumb Bush was yet he was able to convince the elite Democrats to support all that spending.

    Interesting how you have to divert to Bush because you have no interest in discussing Obama performance. There is nothing that can be done about what you perceive Bush did, but there is plenty that can be done about what Obama is doing. That dreaded Patriot Act was not only reauthorized by Obama but expanded. Obama kept the Bush Secretary of Defense and expanded the military role in Afghanistan while spending more money on defense that Bush ever spent.

    The Obama record is there for all to see but instead of challenging Obama to change his direction and agenda it is more feasible for you to attack Bush who is out of office thus nothing can be done. That is a typical liberal tactic.

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