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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    If we are so much wealthier... why are we in such deep debt?
    Because it costs the U.S. so much more to put in the same amount of infrastructure as it does in many other countries... China spends a fraction what the U.S. does on a highway, largely due to labor costs. Even Taiwan, which has higher labor costs than China, has lower costs than the U.S., and thus, we are able to afford the beautiful expressway system that has been built up here largely in the last 15 years...
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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Good thing the GOP controls the house.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Are people really that unaware that our basic infrastructure is ancient and decaying, and that there isn't some friendly private entity that is going to replace your main water lines so you can continue to take showers in the morning?
    Maybe if the big government would get out of the way of the states, they could take of those things themselves. Instead, the states send them money and they decide who gets it and how much and for what.
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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Corporations primarily take government basic funded research and develop it into usable products
    Let me think – electrical generation? – no; Electric light? – no; Teflon? No; Nylon? - no; Kevlar? – no; TV? - no; Radio? – no;

    Waste and fraud? YES!! YES!!! The government spends billions on researching frogs, bugs of all kinds, HIV in drunken prostitutes in Brazil, etc. The only things that I can think of that turned into useful products are things developed for war and they were done by private companies using government money.

    Research grants to universities are gifts to the universities for pumping liberalism into the students.

    Are people really that unaware that our basic infrastructure is ancient and decaying,
    Are you unaware that the American people were told by our illegitimate president that the stimulus bill was targeted at immediate repair and renewal of our bridges and roads? You must know that Berry sold his giant spending plan based on shovel ready infrastructure jobs that would put people to work immediately? But instead of spending on the bridges that he so worried about now he gave the money to State and local union workers.

    He saved a lot of union jobs for the short term but because he lied and diverted the money the State and local government didn’t get the added income that the infrastructure jobs would have brought them. Now the money in the pockets of unions who refuse to work when they hear about staffing cuts and people die in the snow.

    BHO is the worst president of all times and that is saying a lot after the years of suffering under FDR and Carter.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    We are talking about what America can afford. I find it interesting that people say the U.S. can't afford programs like Obamacare or universal health care when the U.S. is the wealthier than any other nation that has those programs.
    It all boils down to the role of the Federal Govt especially in the role of personal responsibility which of course healthcare is. Since I determine what I eat, what I drink, how I exercise I determine my health not the Federal Govt, thus I am responsible for my own healthcare insurance.

    As for infrastructure wasn't that the purpose of the stimulus program, to provide for "shovel ready" jobs on infrastructure? Obama hasn't seen a dollar that the Federal Govt. shouldn't spend. His vision of the govt. is the exact opposite of our Founders.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Maybe if the big government would get out of the way of the states, they could take of those things themselves. Instead, the states send them money and they decide who gets it and how much and for what.
    Not really, no, that's not what happens.
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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Not really, no, that's not what happens.
    That isn't what happens? Where does the Federal Govt. get their money if not from the people living in the states? Why does that money have to be sent to the Federal Govt. so they can spend it on programs already being done in the states? Here are the items funded by the Federal Income Taxes. How many of those items can be handled by the states or already are in the state budgets? Why the duplications?

    Defense
    International Affairs
    Gen. Science, Space
    Energy
    Natural resources/env
    Agriculture
    Commerce
    Transportation
    Community Dev
    Education/Train/Social
    Health
    Medicare
    Income Security
    Social Security
    Veterans Benefits
    Justice
    General Govt.
    Net Interest

    Pull out SS and Medicare because they are funded by Payroll taxes.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Also far bigger so the cost will be huge.
    That argument doesn't make any sense. We are richer because we are far bigger. We have a much larger economy than the little European countries so we have a much bigger GDP. Americans also make more money per capita than Europeans. The whole "we can't afford it" argument is completely bogus.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    That argument doesn't make any sense. We are richer because we are far bigger. We have a much larger economy than the little European countries so we have a much bigger GDP. Americans also make more money per capita than Europeans. The whole "we can't afford it" argument is completely bogus.
    Who are "we" and why is it the Government's role to provide for the "richest" people on the face of the earth? It boils down to what is a personal responsibility vs. a govt. responsibility. I have seen nothing that justifies Obamacare or the massive expansion of govt. to handle state and local issues.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    That argument doesn't make any sense. We are richer because we are far bigger. We have a much larger economy than the little European countries so we have a much bigger GDP. Americans also make more money per capita than Europeans. The whole "we can't afford it" argument is completely bogus.
    We have close to 20% unemployment so spending will do nothing but bankrupt the country

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