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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Exactly I am only wrong when proven wrong. I have given you the actual numbers not projections, not opinions, not propaganda, but actual numbers. I am waiting for you and anyone else to prove me wrong. In the absence of you doing that, I am indeed right.
    you are a legend in your own mind.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Read #1 infrastructure=unions, #2 education=unions and #3 innovation initiatives=so-called green technology
    yup and "investment for the future" = so this way i can't be held to a standard, like that stupid "unemployment won't go above 8%" boast.

    first they said that we needed increases in spending to fix the present. then that didn't work and now they're going to say we need increased spending to help the future.... at what point, i wonder, will they claim that government spending has the ability to alter the past?

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you are a legend in your own mind.
    Thank you and it is non partisan facts that make me that legend and cause liberals to run away. No one can refute verifiable facts thus Obama supporters run

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

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    Thank you and it is non partisan facts that make me that legend and cause liberals to run away. No one can refute verifiable facts thus Obama supporters run
    whatever gets you through the day son, whatever gets you through the day

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    whatever gets you through the day son, whatever gets you through the day
    randel, just a bit of advice, you would get more credibility in this forum if you actually addressed the data presented vs. those little sly remarks that totally ignore content.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    randel, just a bit of advice, you would get more credibility in this forum if you actually addressed the data presented vs. those little sly remarks that totally ignore content.
    stop it man, just stop it!! your killin' me... lecturing me about credibility!!

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    stop it man, just stop it!! your killin' me... lecturing me about credibility!!
    Right, you have offered nothing of substance, I gave you actual verifiable facts and the sites to get that data but I have no credibility and you do? now that is funny.

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, you have offered nothing of substance, I gave you actual verifiable facts and the sites to get that data but I have no credibility and you do? now that is funny.
    keep going, i havent laughed this hard in ages! you, credibility

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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    I get this as part of a blog that is emailed around, I really don't know how to put an URL for that, but it's by Rich Lowry of National Review

    The ‘Investment’ Euphemism

    It doesn’t help to call spending something different.

    Pres. Barack Obama hopes to be saved by a euphemism.

    He is wagering on the power of the word “investment.” It sounds so market-oriented and cutting-edge in contrast to its more pedestrian, politically fraught synonym, “spending,” especially the toxic “deficit spending” that, to this point, has defined Obama’s presidency.

    The focus on “investment” is nothing new. Obama already had leaned heavily on one of the hoariest Democratic tropes. When he signed the stimulus bill in February 2009, he used the word “invest” or “investment” 15 times in a 2,000-word speech. A casual listener might have been hard-pressed to understand that any new government spending was involved at all, what with all the “critical investments,” including “the largest new investment in our nation’s infrastructure since Eisenhower” and “the largest investment in education in our nation’s history.”

    In a June 2010 speech at Carnegie Mellon University on his vision of a “new foundation” for the economy, Obama uttered the word “invest” or “investment” about two dozen times. If he weren’t president, he might be working in a boiler room somewhere, touting a dubious stock. Former Bush official and Hoover Institution fellow Keith Hennessey substituted “government spending” for “investment,” getting this Obama paragraph:

    It’s a foundation based on government spending on our people and their future; government spending on the skills and education we need to compete; government spending on a 21st-century infrastructure for America, from high-speed railroads to high-speed Internet; government spending on research and technology, like clean energy, that can lead to new jobs and new exports and new industries...

    Obama isn’t changing his economic philosophy. He’s not even dressing it up with a new word. It’s the same old spending, although presumably not quite as reckless as the first bout. His administration is perpetually stuck on stimulus...

    The government is not Warren Buffett. An ungainly, politically driven behemoth, it is not a good judge of value, and it almost never cuts its losses. We have “invested” untold billions in federal dollars in education since the 1970s, and test scores have barely budged. We have been subsidizing alternative energy for just as long, and have only created a hideously inefficient green-energy sector. We have allowed transportation spending to be warped by gross congressional politics (earmarks and logrolling) and silly fads (light and high-speed rail).

    Modesty is in order. The federal government can invest at the margins, in basic research and the like, and can hope that some of its activities — the space program and defense, for instance — spin off useful technologies. Otherwise, its role is setting the predicate for the private investment that drives innovation and ultimately job growth. That means cutting spending and regulation, reforming the tax code, embracing free trade, and providing a reliable environment for commerce.

    In other words, controlling government “investment” and other Washington excesses.
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    Re: Obama to Push for New Spending as GOP Demands Deep Budget Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I get this as part of a blog that is emailed around, I really don't know how to put an URL for that, but it's by Rich Lowry of National Review
    I get extremely concerned when liberals start talking about investment as it relates to the govt. That isn't the role of the govt. as that is the role of the private sector. Anytime the govt. talks about investment hold on to your wallet. We are over 14 trillion dollars in debt thanks to past govt. "investment" so anyone that thinks this will be different is very naive.

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