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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    careful, the facts are not all in evidence yet, he may yet turn out to be a freaky far right pundit worshiper....
    Oh I have NO DOUBT that a reasonably intelligent defense lawyer is right now TELLING HIM thats what he is and was his motivation. Hell...why not use the sheriffs bull**** arguments (and one adopted by so many partisan idiots) as a legal defense? After all...how many times have people said he MUST have been influenced by this uncivil rhetoric...or that he is insane...a lunatic...mentally unstable...etc.

    Sure...Im sure that even though they HAVE uncovered leftist rantings and his connection with the congresswoman in the past, that they have ALSO uncvovered this wealth of knowledge about right wing influences and are just saving it for later...

    And isnt that message of restraint on motive just a LITTLE bit self serving?

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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    1)I predict that the "recall" is already over....it won't go past the noise stage that has already been submitted by the few far right who are offended by the idea that their prophets are being maligned.
    2)the "constituency" of the pundits are beyond help, their brains died years ago....soap poisoning, lifebuoy bar soap....(movie reference)
    I would like to see it go to a full blown all out official recall election where the actual issue can be discussed. I suspect the far right that is behind this does not want that to happen at all.
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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Did he actually tap dance in sticky blood or is that just your usual over the top hyperbole to muck up the waters?

    Again, exactly which statement of the Sheriff do you find so worthy of purging him from his duties in office that he has performed for the last several decades with the support of the people of his county expressed in elections over and over and over again?
    Of COURSE its my over the top hype you silly person. Doesnt change the fact that he IMMEDIATELY went on TV and spouted his lies and then repeated them on multiple occasions, now does it.

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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh I have NO DOUBT that a reasonably intelligent defense lawyer is right now TELLING HIM thats what he is and was his motivation. Hell...why not use the sheriffs bull**** arguments (and one adopted by so many partisan idiots) as a legal defense? After all...how many times have people said he MUST have been influenced by this uncivil rhetoric...or that he is insane...a lunatic...mentally unstable...etc.

    Sure...Im sure that even though they HAVE uncovered leftist rantings and his connection with the congresswoman in the past, that they have ALSO uncvovered this wealth of knowledge about right wing influences and are just saving it for later...

    And isnt that message of restraint on motive just a LITTLE bit self serving?
    Amazing. You are preemptively giving every right winger an out here with this post. So the shooter comes out and admits he was impacted by right wing vitrioland you already have a prepackaged excuse why it is not true.

    If the shooter claims that he was NOT impacted by right wing vitriol - you will trumpet that admission to the high heavens and get down on your knees and praise him for telling the truth.
    If he says that he was indeed impacted by right wing vitriol, then you dismiss it as a lie because the truth makes you look bad.

    Well done Vance. You serve your ideology well.
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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The only reason the left isnt as prevalent is because they dont have an audience. But for every Beck, or Palin, or Limbaugh there is a Rhodes, a Shultz, an Olbermann, a Weiner, and any other number of elected democrats. For Fox News you have MSNBC and damn near every other media outlet. Bias is bias...I dont care how you paint it.NONE of which changes the reality that they had NOTHING to do with the shooting. We as a nation have spent the last 2 weeks ranting on about rhetoric...and its a fabricated bull**** argument. And do you REALLY think anything is changing, has changed or will change? Fox is still Fox. MSNBC is still MSNBC. Politicians are still politicians. Oh yes...the left did themselves VERY proud this week...calling republicans nazis, accusing them of wanting to kill children and old people during the health care debate.

    So...UB...Im fine with changing the tone of national debate. Forget about the 8 years of the Bush presidency and the first 2 years of theObama presidency (or heck....the STILL ongoing attacks on Clinton and Reagan, and Carter). Lets be all hopey and changey about a more civil tone. And actually ACT on it instead of using rhetoric to attack rhetoric.
    Act? how? didn't someone just act? words have multiple meanings depending on the bias of the speaker, and the bias of the listener. Some nut case can read what you said in your last few words and go out and actually ACT.....
    Funny how you see FOX as the only conservative network, and DAMN NEAR EVERY OTHER MEDIA OUTLET as LIBERAL. Is that a bias?
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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Of COURSE its my over the top hype you silly person. Doesnt change the fact that he IMMEDIATELY went on TV and spouted his lies and then repeated them on multiple occasions, now does it.
    Again, exactly which statement of the Sheriff do you find so worthy of purging him from his duties in office that he has performed for the last several decades with the support of the people of his county expressed in elections over and over and over again?
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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Loughner a "textbook" case paranoid schizophrenic - Jared Loughner - Salon.com

    Quite early in the news cycle, the media more or less diagnosed Jared Loughner as paranoid schizophrenic. Do you think that's accurate?
    He's a textbook case. Most psychiatrists will tell you they need to examine a patient before diagnosing him, but this guy has all of the symptoms. He has the right age of onset. He has a deteriorating social course, as they say in the [DSM], social and occupational dysfunction. He has delusions, and they're pretty strange. It's common for schizophrenics to think people are trying to control their mind, but thinking the government is trying to control your grammar -- I've never heard that before. The real tip-off is the markedly disorganized speech, which you see in the rambling videos. This is the kind of disorganized speech that you virtually never get in any other condition. It's what we call pathognomonic of schizophrenia. That is, when you hear that symptom, it's "schizophrenia until proven otherwise." He's also got the affective flattening of emotion, which you see in that mug shot.
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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Amazing. You are preemptively giving every right winger an out here with this post. So the shooter comes out and admits he was impacted by right wing vitrioland you already have a prepackaged excuse why it is not true.

    If the shooter claims that he was NOT impacted by right wing vitriol - you will trumpet that admission to the high heavens and get down on your knees and praise him for telling the truth.
    If he says that he was indeed impacted by right wing vitriol, then you dismiss it as a lie because the truth makes you look bad.

    Well done Vance. You serve your ideology well.
    You miss the point (no...you mindlessly ignore the point). He WAS NOT influenced by ANYONE...left or right. THIS PERSON...THIS CASE...there is ZERO indication that he was motivated by right wing vitriol. NONE. All you and people like you have done is give credibility to a lie. You buy into this fabrication that he was influenced by it and now you feign outrage (not very convincingly BTW) that I have pointed out precisely what the sheriff and people like you have done.

    Oh...ideology is being served in this discussion...of that there is no doubt. It MIGHT just be the people that still cling to the fabricated lie promoted by the sheriff from the outset...

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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Act? how? didn't someone just act? words have multiple meanings depending on the bias of the speaker, and the bias of the listener. Some nut case can read what you said in your last few words and go out and actually ACT.....
    Funny how you see FOX as the only conservative network, and DAMN NEAR EVERY OTHER MEDIA OUTLET as LIBERAL. Is that a bias?
    I really am a moderate. If you want to take a far left stance, I will challenge that as well...
    The simple fact is there is NO CONNECTION that that is what OCCURED.

    Hey...Im going to run up debt and blame it on congrerss. 'm going to default on all my debt obligations and then accuse congress...then we can have this whole national discussion on how congress is doing irresponsible things and we can just ignore the fact that I am going to choose to be wreckless and financially irresponsible.

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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Act? how? didn't someone just act? words have multiple meanings depending on the bias of the speaker, and the bias of the listener. Some nut case can read what you said in your last few words and go out and actually ACT.....
    Funny how you see FOX as the only conservative network, and DAMN NEAR EVERY OTHER MEDIA OUTLET as LIBERAL. Is that a bias?
    I really am a moderate. If you want to take a far left stance, I will challenge that as well...
    I dont know Bill...would you call CNN right leaning? MSNBC? NBC? ABC? CBS? Help me out here...

    See...I have no problem recognizing FOX for what they are. I just dont see all these other conservative news outlets. Right wing talk shows? Sure...I guess there are those out there as well...arent they all typically on one radio channel (just like AmeriLeft on the satellite stations)?

    And the CTION...well...lets see some action from the democrats. Obama called for a more civil tone...now...did you observe any of the dabte this week on the house's healthcare vote? Maybe I missed the republicans calling democrats sciumbags and godless heathens...but I know for certain that several democrats equated republicans to Nazis. So...ACTION...no rhetoric. Im still wiating for the presidents condemnation of such hateful speech...

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