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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As I have already pointed out - the greatest crime anyone can commit against the right wing True Believers is to brand them as such and expose them for what they really are and what their tactics are. So now Sheriff Dupnik has their gun sights focused upon him despite his long and fine record of service to the people. He who dares to raise his voice against what they truly are must be targeted and eliminated as job one.
    Why is it, Haymarket, that I almost always disagree with you? I'm a pretty level-headed gal, actually. I often take more liberal positions. Just curious. How do you know that Sheriff Dupnik has a long and fine record of service? I would hardly want a public servant who thought his base was vitriolic and a mecca for bigotry and prejudce.

    And what is wrong with an attempt to recall? That's democracy. He should have kept his big mouth shut.
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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    This may be a reason there is a gag order.

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    What these attorneys explained to me is that the county attorney, under Arizona law, the county attorney is effectively the legal advisor for the sheriff and really all county department heads. And as such, his actions can reflect on her actions. And these attorneys that we talked with said that there have been some instances -- none here in Pima County - - where investigators have done things that cause problems with the investigation and prosecutors ended up sanctioned as a result.
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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Law enforcement officers aren't allowed to give an opinion that could directly effect the outcome of an ongoing case.

    Doopnik's comments could be used in Loughner's defense and win him a far lighter sentence than he deserves.

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    Do you have a link for that rule?
    Law enforcement officers talk to the media all the time. Much of what they say is just their opinion about a case or suspect.
    How could the sheriffs comments be used in JL's defense? It is totally irrelevant and has nothing to do with the crime. You are really reaching.

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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Not in the middle of an investigation. Well in this case it was before the wounded were even out of surgery.
    He immediately started speculating about the motives of the mass murderer when he should have been giving facts.
    He doesn't deserve to be Sheriff.
    Law enforcement officers speculate all the time after a crime. This is nothing new and they don't lose their jobs over it..
    Tucson voters will decide if he deserves to be their sheriff.
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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Law enforment officers speculate all the time after a crime. This is nothing new.
    Tucson voters will decide if he should be their sheriff.
    Agree with your last sentence.

    Re the first, most law enforcement departments (and certainly larger ones) have media liaisons and department policies that dictate what any of their people can say to the media about any investigation. I'm betting he broke his own rules. And certainly insulted his political base.
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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    This is a nice opinion article. I couldn't agree with it more.

    Sheriff Dupnik Must Resign « Thoughts Of A Conservative Christian

    Dupnik should apologize and resign for his incendiary and biased comments.
    Given the spotlight, he could not bring himself to behave like a professional
    law enforcement officer and stick with the facts. He used his fifteen minutes
    of fame to lash out at political opponents by calling them bigots, racists, and
    inciters of violence, lumping in the entire state of Arizona. He failed to
    acknowledge that the only violence at a Tea Party event was perpetrated by
    Democrat Teamster thugs against a black Tea Party activist. As a black
    American, I think those who throw around the labels of “bigot,” “racist,” and
    “hater” are guilty of the very thing of which they accuse others, and they do
    our country a great disservice.
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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by Good Guy View Post
    Why is the Tea Party getting involved?
    Because an elected official (one that it turns out had more intimate knowledge of the shooters activities than anyone and failed to act) used a tragedy to further his own politics and agenda, lied about the causes of the shooting, and then when it turned out his rhetoric WAS bull**** and lies simply ignored that reality and CONTINUED to lie. And of course he CAN...because he plays to mindless morons that SHARE his political rhetoric and thus endorse the bull**** and lies and are now really shocked that people are speaking out against him.

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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Law enforcement officers speculate all the time after a crime. This is nothing new and they don't lose their jobs over it..
    Tucson voters will decide if he deserves to be their sheriff.
    What about when it is learned that said law enforcement official already KNEW about the shooter and KNEW he wasnt politically inspired by the people he was accusing? What if it is learned that said law enforcement official was using the slaughter of innocents to promote a personal political agenda knowing full well what he was saying was a lie?

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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Because an elected official (one that it turns out had more intimate knowledge of the shooters activities than anyone and failed to act) .
    Did the sheriff even know who Loughner was before the shootings? He had a few minor brushes with the law, nothing that serious. Some claimed he made death threats but no one has come forward to verify that and no one seems to know who recieved the death threats..

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    Re: Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What about when it is learned that said law enforcement official already KNEW about the shooter and KNEW he wasnt politically inspired by the people he was accusing? What if it is learned that said law enforcement official was using the slaughter of innocents to promote a personal political agenda knowing full well what he was saying was a lie?
    Did the sheriff know Loughner? Tucson is a big city and Loughner only had a few minor brushes with the law. Did the sheriff know what he was saying was a lie or was he just saying what he believed? It was an emotional time for him.

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