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    Re: Bin Laden threatens France in new message

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Pal, conservatives compose half of the American populace. And we don't like the French at all.
    Even though the French President is Conservative...

    Talk about your problems with solidarity.

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    Re: Bin Laden threatens France in new message

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Even though the French President is Conservative...

    Talk about your problems with solidarity.
    Conservatism in Europe plays within the political parameters established by the European left. Conservatism in American plays within the political parameters established by Ronald Reagan. Conservatives in Europe and America are strangers to each other.

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    Re: Bin Laden threatens France in new message

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Conservatism in Europe plays within the political parameters established by the European left. Conservatism in American plays within the political parameters established by Ronald Reagan. Conservatives in Europe and America are strangers to each other.
    I'm well aware.

    But are you sure the vast American public knows that?

    The word conservative gets tossed around for a lot of things these days. Same with liberals.

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    Re: Bin Laden threatens France in new message

    Saw this on TF1 yesterday but i didnt really pay attention. Bin Laden has been sending threats since last year. However we havent Heard a thing from Sarko. But no France most likely Will not leave. Thé troops are supposedly there on a trip to aiding thé people in need, not fighting...

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    Re: Bin Laden threatens France in new message

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    It's true -- most of the world sees France as an old hand at military dominance. As well, I think the intelligent people in America, do, too. I don't think too many Americans actually believe the ridiculous rhetoric about the French being cowardly, that sometimes pops up in conservative circles. I think it's all due to a rivalry between France and America. Both nations were born by revolution, and both had a common enemy in the British for the longest time. Both nations see themselves as the beacon of freedom, humanity and equality in the world, and both see themselves as the world's current ideological role model. As well, the French won the American War of Independence for the Americans, and the Americans sent millions in material aide to France in the Second World War.

    So I don't think the two nations really hate each other -- and in fact, I think they're two of the most similar countries, ideologically and politically speaking, on Earth. It's the sense of rivalry and one-upmanship between them that causes all the bashing.
    I don't think the two are similar at all politically, socially or ideologically. The only similarities are in the arrogance and sense of "we're number 1 and everybody else sucks" attitude. Could you expand on the political and ideological similarities that you see? I see France as more similar to Canada than the US.
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    Re: Bin Laden threatens France in new message

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    It's true -- most of the world sees France as an old hand at military dominance. As well, I think the intelligent people in America, do, too. I don't think too many Americans actually believe the ridiculous rhetoric about the French being cowardly, that sometimes pops up in conservative circles. I think it's all due to a rivalry between France and America. Both nations were born by revolution, and both had a common enemy in the British for the longest time. Both nations see themselves as the beacon of freedom, humanity and equality in the world, and both see themselves as the world's current ideological role model. As well, the French won the American War of Independence for the Americans, and the Americans sent millions in material aide to France in the Second World War.

    So I don't think the two nations really hate each other -- and in fact, I think they're two of the most similar countries, ideologically and politically speaking, on Earth. It's the sense of rivalry and one-upmanship between them that causes all the bashing.
    I think General Patton summed up the French well:
    "I'd rather have a German Division in front of me than a French one behind."

    Not cowards, but incompetents.

    ChIraq was a nuisance, and his behavior during Gulf War II was despicable, to America and the eastern EU allies that assisted.

    Sarkozy seems OK... I'd rather have him than Obama, and I never thought I'd prefer a French leader over an American... but it is what it is.



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