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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I have actually wondered if anybody used the Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy to get out of the military... I remember Pauly Shore tried to do it in that movie. OMG I can't stand Pauly Shore.. he was so annoying and unfunny.
    It did happen prior to 9/11 a lot. We had a few straight guys/girls that signed paperwork in '99 to get out when school got too rough for them. By the 4th or 5th one, our Master Chief said that anyone else in our class that said that they wanted to sign the paperwork was going to have to call their mother up in his office, in front of him and explain to her exactly why the person was getting out of the military. No more signing was done in my class.

    It wasn't long after that or possibly even during that time, the military started expecting people to actual prove that they were homosexual to get out that way. I'm not exactly sure what that proof had to be, but I knew at least one other person, who really was a lesbian, who was able to sign paperwork to be put out under DADT. I do know that she had to go to medical and EO a lot while she was getting out, so I think that she had to talk to someone in medical and someone in EO to prove that she really was a lesbian.
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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Plenty of people have given you first hand experience working with openly gay personnel and provided polls that indicate strongly that even most combat troops who have actually worked with openly gay personnel did not find it to cause any issues.
    bingo. because DADT was in effect.

    You have no actual proof that allowing gays to serve openly will affect unit morale or cohesion.
    well hells bells, i have no 'proof' (having never subjected it to experimentation) that bullets wouldn't bounce off my chest. that doesn't mean i'm going to let you blast me.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    admitting open homosexuals reduces cohesion. reduced cohesion causes casuaties. each kia costs the military more than what - 10, 15x the amount he's complaining about?
    Do you have proof of this... a study or something, because the petagon's study is in disagreement with your statement

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    None of the combat vets have actually admitted to working with openly gay personnel, that I can recall.
    then you should go back and read my posts.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're juuuuust about to figure it out.

    The problem isn't with gays serving openly. We've already explained to you what problems are going to arise. You swear up-n-down that we don't know what we're talking about, so there's no need to get back into it.
    What is that? That you guys are basing your beliefs about the problems off of fear of possible consequences, rather than actual experience with working with openly gay personnel in combat units.
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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    then you should go back and read my posts.
    So what experience are you actually basing your position on and could it have been dealt with by other rules already in place? Did that experience actually show a decline in unit cohesion because of the openly gay personnel in your unit?
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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Do you have proof of this... a study or something, because the petagon's study is in disagreement with your statement
    His combat experience isn't enough?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    What is that? That you guys are basing your beliefs about the problems off of fear of possible consequences, rather than actual experience with working with openly gay personnel in combat units.
    I've already explained it to you until I'm blue in the face. I served in a combat arms unit, know the rules, understand how those rules will be interpreted and you still claim I don't know ****. The other ground pounders here have said the same things I've told you and you insist they are full of ****.

    Whatelse is there to talk about?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    We've already explained to you what problems are going to arise.
    Could you please summarize?
    Also, just because you have a hypothesis doesn't make it true.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    bingo. because DADT was in effect.



    well hells bells, i have no 'proof' (having never subjected it to experimentation) that bullets wouldn't bounce off my chest. that doesn't mean i'm going to let you blast me.
    Do you guys honestly believe that a person would control their behavior because of DADT but not because of other rules in the UCMJ?

    Along with this, do you honestly believe that other personnel, who do not approve of homosexuality, would turn homosexuals in for being gay under DADT or for causing problems with DADT in place, but those same personnel wouldn't turn those homosexuals in after DADT is repealed for violating other rules?
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