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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Good thing ya'll are here to talk for him.
    Quite frankly I'm shocked that anybody could interpret his post the way you did. Seemed pretty obvious to the rest of us.

    Because your interpretation was "No gays anywhere are ever unfit for service," which is clearly just plain stupid.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He's complaining about how much it costs to discharge a soldier. Right?
    admitting open homosexuals reduces cohesion. reduced cohesion causes casuaties. each kia costs the military more than what - 10, 15x the amount he's complaining about?

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    admitting open homosexuals reduces cohesion. reduced cohesion causes casuaties. each kia costs the military more than what - 10, 15x the amount he's complaining about?
    Be careful, you're gonna start some **** with that post.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Naw, that's not what he said. He made a statement of fact, that, " A gay person isn't unfit for service".
    Yes but I'm sure you knew what i was trying to convey. Simply being gay isn't a cause for DQ.
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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Glad to see the GOP and the military were more than willing to spend 50,000 grand per gay just to keep them out. Not to mention many of them were in very skilled positions.
    Well, the military had nothing to do with eagerly hunting down gays. Nor was it "more than willing" to spend the money. It was the law and as such the military was bound to obey what civilians decided to force upon it. DADT has been a burden upon the military and served largely as an escape clause for gays and non-gays alike. People don't seem to realize that after 9/11, the Army and the Marine Corps largely ignored the claims of troops and denied them their right to escape obligation. And once the federal judge came to a ruling, it was the Air Force and the Pentagon that jumped at the chance to move on from this policy before the same organization of civilians that created it sought the credit for abolishing it. The numbers are for all to see and the interpretation of them should be obvious.

    BUT...DADT is finished so why are you still bitching about it? Gays now have the right to go and die for your rights. But if they survive can they come back to your civilian world and get married and enjoy the same rights that normal people have? Nope. Maybe civilians should move to fix their own social inequalities before they take the coward's way out and look towards a disciplined organization to do what is "right."

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Yes but I'm sure you knew what i was trying to convey. Simply being gay isn't a cause for DQ.
    Only reading you post, not reading you mind.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    admitting open homosexuals reduces cohesion. reduced cohesion causes casuaties. each kia costs the military more than what - 10, 15x the amount he's complaining about?
    As always, prove the first part about admitting open homosexuals reduces cohesion. Then you have to prove that the reduction in cohesion is actually enough to cause casualties (from the reduction in cohesion, not from some stupid guy killing his a fellow soldier because they were gay).

    If anyone should be put out for a reduction in cohesion due to intolerance, it should be those that being intolerant, not those who are being discriminated against.
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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    As always, prove the first part about admitting open homosexuals reduces cohesion. Then you have to prove that the reduction in cohesion is actually enough to cause casualties (from the reduction in cohesion, not from some stupid guy killing his a fellow soldier because they were gay).

    If anyone should be put out for a reduction in cohesion due to intolerance, it should be those that being intolerant, not those who are being discriminated against.
    Anyone that's actually been in the military, especially a battle hardened vet like cpwill, can confirm that a lack of unit cohesion can and will cause casualties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anyone that's actually been in the military, especially a battle hardened vet like cpwill, can confirm that a lack of unit cohesion can and will cause casualties.

    Post Script: Told'ya you were gonna start some ****, Will.
    You missed the first sentence, apparently.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anyone that's actually been in the military, especially a battle hardened vet like cpwill, can confirm that a lack of unit cohesion can and will cause casualties.

    Post Script: Told'ya you were gonna start some ****, Will.
    And I specifically said that you need to first prove that gays serving openly will cause a lack of unit cohesion. Expanding on this, it should include why it would cause such a decline in most cases and why such cohesion is lost. Also, you would need to show why other rules in the military cannot deal with those who are causing problems before they cause issues where people may get killed.

    Second, how much of an effect will it actually have on unit cohesion. I'm pretty sure that there are units out there that have unit members that the rest of the unit or most of the rest of the unit can't stand, but they are all still able to work together effectively while in a combat situation.

    There will always be some people that have issues or problems with other people, even those in the same units. But what makes homosexuals so different to you guys that you believe that it will become a huge issue? Especially since, it is most likely that very few homosexuals will actually come out as gay that weren't already out in units where they feel problems might arise. Some might, and there may be some issues. These, hopefully, can be dealt with through good leadership before they cause any huge problems. But many of the problems are going to come from those guys who are uncomfortable working with a gay man. Most will not come from the openly gay person themself.
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