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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Actually I'm proposing that gays living in secrecy already erodes unit cohesion. Gays being allowed to serve openly in the long term would allow for fuller understanding and less homophobia/bigotry among the ranks.
    That hasn't been the case, so far. You're welcome to prove me wrong, but I'm thinking you would be wasting your time.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Hiding my own homophobia. That is a laugh. I am a married lesbian. It would be best to know someone before you make stupid statements like that.
    I spent 12 years in the infantry. So, I think I can speak with authority--more authority than an opinion poll--about the inner-workings, attitudes and mentalities of an alpha male dominated environment.

    Folks like MSGT, cpwill, Oscar and myself can be considered experts on this issue. But, time and again, we're told that we're wrong and the only evidence that's been presented, to date, is an opinion poll.
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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I spent 12 years in the infantry. So, I think I can speak with authority--more authority than an opinion poll--about the inner-workings, attitudes and mentalities of an alpha male dominated environment.

    Folks like MSGT, cpwill, Oscar and myself can be considered experts on this issue. But, time and again, we're told that we're wrong and the only evidence that's been presented, to date, is an opinion poll.
    For the last time, it WASN'T SOME CIVILIAN OPINION POLL. It was a SURVEY commissioned by the DoD itself. And yes, I value a comprehensive survey more than the evidence of a couple of guys who say they've been there, done that. But I guess we're not just going to agree on this.

    In fact, it is not the only evidence. How do you suppose the Israelis and Brits are doing just fine? The Brits even go to gay pride parades:
    In U.K. Military, Gay Pride Shines - World Watch - CBS News
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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    For the last time, it WASN'T SOME CIVILIAN OPINION POLL. It was a SURVEY commissioned by the DoD itself. And yes, I value a comprehensive survey more than the evidence of a couple of guys who say they've been there, done tha. But I guess we're not just going to agree on this.

    In fact, it is not the only evidence. How do you suppose the Israelis and Brits are doing just fine? The Brits even go to gay pride parades:
    In U.K. Military, Gay Pride Shines - World Watch - CBS News
    I don't give a **** who did it. And all the British army links that you post don't mean **** to me.

    Go jine the Marines, as an 0300 grunt, then come back and tell us what you know about it. If you don't wash out.
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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    edited and edited again, so I can post ten characters
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't give a **** who did it. And all the British army links that you post don't mean **** to me.

    Go jine the Marines, as an 0300 grunt, then come back and tell us what you know about it. If you don't wash out.
    No, they might not mean **** to you but it's still relevant to the discussion. So the Brits can do fine, be openly gay, be just as professional, and still maintain unit cohesion. But Americans can't cuz they're ****in immature?
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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    No, they might not mean **** to you but it's still relevant to the discussion. So the Brits can do fine, be openly gay, be just as professional, and still maintain unit cohesion. But Americans can't cuz they're ****in immature?
    Show all us dumbass combat arms vet how many battles the Brits have been in since they lifted the ban on gays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's it? No, seriously, that's all of them?

    The Brits have barely been engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan. And, that's all you have?

    When the Brits have the same amount of combat power engaged as the US, get back with us.
    The Brits have a smaller military than the US. You expect them to commit the same level of involvement? The size of the British Army is about as large as the Corps. What is this supposed to be, a pissing match? We were talking about unit cohesion.
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