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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    That is messed up. How can you prove your gay?

    And isn't the policy designed so if somebody else knows your gay and tells, then you can get kicked out? .. and your playing by the rules, not telling

    I think there was a Family Guy episode where Stewie and Brain tried to get kicked out by saying they were gay but it didn't work either... They ended up shooting each other in the foot, so using DADT just to get out has crossed a lot of people's minds. It's in so many movies..
    It was generally done through an investigation. COs were given pretty much complete control over who was investigated for DADT violations, prior to a couple of years ago. It all depended on the CO and whether the personnel trying to get out had a history of things showing they might be gay prior to turning themselves in.

    I heard of a story of some guy getting his wife to videotape him in bed with one of his buddies, pretending to have sex. I actually think that one of the three or someone else turned them in for setting up the situation, and the guys got punished but still didn't get their discharge.
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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    It wasn't long after that or possibly even during that time, the military started expecting people to actual prove that they were homosexual to get out that way. I'm not exactly sure what that proof had to be, but I knew at least one other person, who really was a lesbian, who was able to sign paperwork to be put out under DADT. I do know that she had to go to medical and EO a lot while she was getting out, so I think that she had to talk to someone in medical and someone in EO to prove that she really was a lesbian.
    All this goes to show is just how ridiculous, laughable, and inherently contradictory the policy is. This and the "Queen-for-a-day" rule.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    no. two people being sexually compatible causes sexual tension. as does one person being attracted to another.
    I believe this potential scenario exists whether DADT is in place or not. The gays are still there (doesn't matter if they're "open" or "secret"), and they will find each other and be attracted to each other if they so choose.
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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no. two people being sexually compatible causes sexual tension. as does one person being attracted to another.
    Which would mean that same sexual tension would exist with DADT in place or not. People can be attracted to people and control themselves. It happens all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    good for him. and how often, again, do you strip down to your underwear and cuddle with your manager?
    How often are you cuddling with other guys in your unit? Last I checked, you guys get bunks, even in the field, most of the time. Sometimes you might have to share a tent, but that can become uncomfortable no matter what the sexuality of the two in the tent is. Wouldn't it be uncomfortable if the straight guy next to you had a good dream and got a woody from it? Heck, my brother told me that during training, when they were sleeping in the trucks, he got kicked out of his truck for excessive flatulence. Besides, those gays have been there, sleeping those tents with the other guys the whole time DADT has been in place. If they didn't do anything with DADT in place, I honestly don't see why they would try/do something with it repealed, when there are other rules to cover such things. Plus, they take a chance, either way, that the guy that they try it with will just beat the crap out of them or kill them.
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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    You have no actual proof that allowing gays to serve openly will affect unit morale or cohesion.
    well hells bells, i have no 'proof' (having never subjected it to experimentation) that bullets wouldn't bounce off my chest. that doesn't mean i'm going to let you blast me.
    But you've seen other people get blasted. If someone shoots you in the chest in all likelihood it won't bounce off your chest because you know what a bullet can do to you.

    Likewise, other nations and militaries have gone through the same exact transition we are going through now. Essentially, they have been blasted. All of those other countries were voicing the same concerns and coming up with the same hypothetical situations that you are now. And guess what? They all pulled through. Are you saying that their experimentation wasn't enough for you? They all went through the experience and emerged realizing their chests were bulletproof.

    Like I said above, just because you have a hypothesis doesn't make it true. You have to prove it. And so far the evidence contradicts your unfounded concerns.
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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It was generally done through an investigation. COs were given pretty much complete control over who was investigated for DADT violations, prior to a couple of years ago. It all depended on the CO and whether the personnel trying to get out had a history of things showing they might be gay prior to turning themselves in.

    I heard of a story of some guy getting his wife to videotape him in bed with one of his buddies, pretending to have sex. I actually think that one of the three or someone else turned them in for setting up the situation, and the guys got punished but still didn't get their discharge.
    That is funny actually... It seems like that guy could have had a "boyfriend" in the same unit and even kissed him in front of everybody, and it would have been accetable for him... so much for DADT being effective

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    proof of the cost of casualties?

    well, i know that the up-front cash that the NOK of a KIA can expect to recieve is $500,000. i don't know what the cost of transporting a body + a military funeral + the benefits that are extended to the survivors are, but my bet would be more than zero.
    proof of anything you said... weak cohesion and casualities

    And I am not even sure how you could provide proof given that nobody has been allowed to be open about their homosexuality until now, so it seems like all speculation to me. I don't understand how such a study could have been honestly conducted.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no. two people being sexually compatible causes sexual tension. as does one person being attracted to another.



    good for him. and how often, again, do you strip down to your underwear and cuddle with your manager?
    I can manage to be professional with people I am even attracted to, can you not do the same? What is your point?

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, she was in the Navy. which is totally like the infantry .
    It's just like the infantry, only different.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: "Don't ask, don't tell" cost tops $50,000 per expulsion, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    ...so somebody being openly gay automatically causes sexual tension?? LOL

    If you feel sexual tense around openly gay people, then I think you are probably gay and can't admit it to yourself.

    I have actually worked with many openly gay people, in many different types of work enviroments. The manager I work for right now is gay, and he is without a doubt professional and right for the job. I don't think gay people are more prone to creating issues for the rest of the work force than any other professional. I have worked with some straight people who were actually unprofessional, undependable, and disruptive, moreso than the homosexuals. However, that might be because I have worked with less homosexuals. But the gay men and women I have worked for, have all been professional and great team members.

    So if somebody complains that gay people are disruptive in work environments and destroy cohension, then I think the people complaining are more than likely the problem and need to look in the mirror and get over their homophobia.
    You're in a combat arms unit and share billets with those gay employees?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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