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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    If issuing "gun licenses" and limiting the right to keep and bear arms without one were already accepted-- as our Supreme Court seems inclined to accept-- then making statements such as this gentleman's would be quite a good reason for said license to be revoked.
    The error in thought, here, as I see it, is that if this guy were serious and could potentially kill an elected official, taking his license away from him isn't going to stop him from doing just that. Just my opinion.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm all for first and second amendment rights but damn. When someone is inciting violence, they need to be taken to task. Advocating the murder of opposing politicians is beyond the pale. I seriously can't imagine anyone debating that it's all right to advocate shooting politicians they disagree with. Scary world we live in.
    There's the other problem: this guy isn't inciting violence, anymore than Sarah Palin, or Paul Krugman incited violence.
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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The fruitcakes are still out there, and this particular fruitcake needs to be in jail for threatening the lives of Congresspersons. I am waiting for people to post in this thread about the poor man's first amendment rights being trampled.

    And here is the problem. Along with rights come responsibilities. Of course, there are some who have the right to scream without consequences. They are babies of course. They scream if they want their diaper changed. They scream if they are hungry. They scream if the can't have access to their favorite toy. And that's OK. After all, we are talking about a baby here. As a child grows into a man or woman, the paradigm changes, as responsibility is taught. And grownups just don't claim a first amendment right to advocate murder of government officials. As far as the Second Amendment goes, this Bozo just forfeited his right to it. Again, this is about responsibility. Should criminals be allowed to have guns? Important question, since what this man advocated on his blog is definitely criminal.



    I really want to see if anyone is going to defend this. My bet is that nobody in his right mind will.

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    Article is here.
    Yep...free speech does not mean free from consequence. They guy is a dumbass. Im sure he was attempting to show how 'edgy' he is.

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's the other problem: this guy isn't inciting violence, anymore than Sarah Palin, or Paul Krugman incited violence.
    I dont think he is inciting anyone to act. I do think he demonstrated the type of mindset that certainly merits local law enforcement reviewing his concealed carry status.

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont think he is inciting anyone to act. I do think he demonstrated the type of mindset that certainly merits local law enforcement reviewing his concealed carry status.
    So they take his concealed carry permit away from him. What's that going to accomplish? He's not going to commit murder, because he can't legally carry a concealed weapon?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    I mean why don't you stand for election on the basis that there should be no restriction on unstable or mentally ill people having the right to buy and carry guns?

    Your position is clear though. Thank you. You do not believe that behaviour which demonstrates instability or a lack of normal self-control in personal behaviour be taken into account by the authorities when they decide whether to issue a license. As long as such behaviour is not criminal.
    Did Laughner see a shrink. Was he declared to be mentally unfit to carry a weapon? Is that no that he never saw a shrink? Again do you want the government to restrict people's rights based on nothing more than hear-say instead of professional mental health expertise?

    This is a logical position for a libertarian to take. Why for example should the State have the right to restrict anyone else's right unless they have been convicted of a crime by a jury of their peers?
    After being ruled by some little inbred dictator from across the sea our founding fathers developed a serious mistrust of governments and developed the constitution to restrict what the government can and can't do. THe people today should carry that same mistrust of the government. Uncle Sam should be seen as that creepy child molesting uncle instead of a friendly relative you can trust.

    The problem is that people like Loughner, who were judged too unstable to join the army, are therefore permitted to carry guns, and in the state of Arizona, to conceal this. Libertarians consider dead nine year old girls a price worth paying for this "freedom".
    Did the army say why they rejected Loughner? Or are you repeating someone else's assumptions of why the army rejected him? HE could have failed his Asvab test, pissed hot, said he was gay,too fat or a whole bunch of other reasons for getting rejected by the army. The last time I went a MEPS(Military Entrance Processing station) which was back in February 2000 they did not have shrinks examine you and they do actually check records to see if you have seen a shrink, have a criminal record and so on.

    Other regard people who demonstrate unstable or threatening behaviour, such as this Arlington jerk, to be at least worth investigating and checking out before letting him loose in the land with a lethal weapon.
    All the individual in Arlington did was plead with any future potential murderers to not shoot bystanders.

    It's a question of judgement. Of course all of us who live in countries which have proper control over those who can carry guns are struggling under the yoke of tyranny. That's the clincher I suppose.
    I suppose when your governments become tyrannical and protest against the government and military get considered to be hate speech and you people only have rocks and kitchen knives to defend yourselves, we Americans will be laughing our asses off at you. The government and criminals are the last two groups of people to be trusted with weapons around an unarmed populace and the government is the one entity who should not be allowed to say who can and can not have a weapon.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So they take his concealed carry permit away from him. What's that going to accomplish? He's not going to commit murder, because he can't legally carry a concealed weapon?
    Not at all. We ALL know that if it is his motivation to actually commit murder he will find a way. What it will accomplish is preciesly what it should accomplish...the revocation of a privelege by someone demonstrating he is too stupid to be allowed to have said privelege. As a CCW permit holder assholes like that piss me off. It gives mindless morons out there a platform to attack ALL CCW holders and call for new rounds of gun control.

    He didnt say "man...I sure understand peoples frustrations with our government and we should work to get them thrown out of office." He endorsed political assassination. I dont suggest they arrest him or throw him in jail. But as a consequence of his choices...I personally am FINE with them removing his right to carry concealed.

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post


    All the individual in Arlington did was plead with any future potential murderers to not shoot bystanders.
    I actually do see your point in his urging any potential shooters not to shoot others such as the 9 yr old girl.

    But am having a real hard time by his statement "1 down and 534 to go" . To me that means we have 534 other congresspersons to kill.

    If he had been Muslim do you think the reaction would be different here on this forum?

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Did Laughner see a shrink. Was he declared to be mentally unfit to carry a weapon?

    He flunked the army exam, and that includes a shrink. If the army doesn't trust him with a weapon, shouldn't that be a clue?
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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    I actually do see your point in his urging any potential shooters not to shoot others such as the 9 yr old girl.
    I think many people would agree with this, just like many people would want gang bangers to keep the violence to themselves.


    But am having a real hard time by his statement "1 down and 534 to go" . To me that means we have 534 other congresspersons to kill.
    How many people have jokingly said something similar? Politicians are seen as a necessary evil and currupt.

    If he had been Muslim do you think the reaction would be different here on this forum?
    Maybe. If Blogger was a Muslim, perhaps positions would be reversed and many of us would be saying take his guns away. Sometimes the shoe has to be on our foot before we realize that something is wrong.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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