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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    People saying that this guy is having his rights infringed upon are being silly. People get arrested all the time for inciting violence against others regardless of the fact that there is a 1st amendment. With rights come responsibilities. If he was arguing that politicians should be shot, hey, take his gun away and let him complain about the NWO Jared-style.
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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    this is why yelling fire in a theater shouldn't be punishable, makes a good reason to ban any speech.
    not "any speech" is equivalent to yelling fire in a theater though. slippery slope fallacy.

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    The hear-say of people who are not trained shrinks? You want to deny people their constitutional rights based on hear-say?
    From the Atlantic blog Daily Dish, a reader posted:
    I'm a licensed psychologist with 20 years experience. I've watched the Jared Loughner Youtube videos. They show evidence of delusions of persecution. Loughner's less than coherent language also suggests a formal thought disorder. While Loughner can't be diagnosed without a full exam conducted in person, there are significant indications in the videos that he suffers from a psychotic disorder.

    I would not rule out drugs as a factor, but he is within the age range that psychotic patients often suffer their first psychotic break. If I had to guess, I'd go with paranoid schizophrenia. If that's the case, his politics are irrelevant. He may not even be fit to stand trial unless and until his psychotic thinking is brought under control with medication.
    Admittedly the guy didn't examine him in-person, and I agree we shouldn't jump the gun on diagnosing the Loughner. But given what we've seen so far it's certainly reasonable to suspect that he had some issues, and it's not just "not-trained-shrinks" who think this.

    Responsibility lies with the murderer.
    If the shooter were indeed mentally ill, do you expect all mentally ill people to check themselves into a psych ward to get themselves some help?

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    this is why yelling fire in a theater shouldn't be punishable, makes a good reason to ban any speech.
    Until your kids die in the theater stampede eh?
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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Well since you asked. I don't think the comment constituted an actual threat. If we were punishing people through government force against the rights of the individual for every time someone said something about shooting a politician or hanging them or whatever; I dare say many of us would be in dire straights right now. While it is irresponsible to carte blanche advocate violence against the government, it is still a valid and proper tool of the People. Are we at the point where we really need to employ it? No, I don't believe we are. However, violence is the ultimate check against the government the People have. Revolt is a proper tool of the People. Now people have said for decades and more now in jest or sometimes not that so and so politician should be sent to the gallows or something of the sort. I don't think it is proper to use government force against people saying that unless there is evidence indicating that it is a credible threat. That's it.

    I'm going to take issue with a couple of things, please understand I'm not taking issue with you

    You say you don't think this was an actual threat, in reality I would agree with you. But (damn there always seems to be a but) we have no way of knowing this for sure, my opinion is that no one considering killing anyone would post it on the net for all to see. Regardless of what our opinions are there is no way we can “know” what he was thinking. I seriously think that most friends of the AZ shooter, if asked a month before it happened, if they thought he could be a mass murderer most would have said no way.

    I agree fully that most of us when sitting with friends or family, have said things like shoot them all .. or something along those lines at one time or another. Even liberals I dare say have uttered words of such nature about Bush, even tho they won't admit it. But (there it is again) this was written for all to see including law enforcement. I'm not sure if that is the same thing as threatening someone in front of a policeman or not, but I do know that if you threaten someone in front of a cop, chances are good that you are going directly to jail. Seeing this is in plain sight of any law enforcement agency I would assume its the same as making a threat in front of an officer of the law.

    Last … and I have seen this in many posts .. what rights are being trampled upon? He wasn't arrested, he hasn't been charged, the only thing that has happened to him is the removal of his weapons and license, and it has been stated this is temporarily. What or how is this man being punished for what he said, other then law enforcement wanting to know if he is insane or if he is just a loud mouth jerk for making such insane and vulgar statements.

    Being conservative myself, and owning many weapons, I sometime hate to disagree with fellow conservatives, but in this case I just feel that as gun owners we need to be even more critical of an idiot loudmouth like this. I just don't feel right defending someone that posts a blog to the internet with such vile intent, be it real, or just the rantings of a idiot. Even more so in light of the fact that it comes so soon after the Az. Shootings. Way to often we need to defend ourselves from unwarranted attacks from the left, to worry about someone like this guy.
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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    If issuing "gun licenses" and limiting the right to keep and bear arms without one were already accepted-- as our Supreme Court seems inclined to accept-- then making statements such as this gentleman's would be quite a good reason for said license to be revoked.

    However, I do not think that such licenses are acceptable.

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    Until your kids die in the theater stampede eh?
    don't assume all kids are as dumb/pussy as yours.
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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    If issuing "gun licenses" and limiting the right to keep and bear arms without one were already accepted-- as our Supreme Court seems inclined to accept-- then making statements such as this gentleman's would be quite a good reason for said license to be revoked.

    However, I do not think that such licenses are acceptable.

    I was confused as well with the term “license” so I looked it up, MA. Has some of the strictest gun laws around, the police dept. issues firearm identification cards and license to carry permits so I assumed this is what they were talking about when saying they took his gun licenses.

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    People saying that this guy is having his rights infringed upon are being silly. People get arrested all the time for inciting violence against others regardless of the fact that there is a 1st amendment. With rights come responsibilities. If he was arguing that politicians should be shot, hey, take his gun away and let him complain about the NWO Jared-style.
    I'm all for first and second amendment rights but damn. When someone is inciting violence, they need to be taken to task. Advocating the murder of opposing politicians is beyond the pale. I seriously can't imagine anyone debating that it's all right to advocate shooting politicians they disagree with. Scary world we live in.

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