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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    Just to check then. You think that Jared Loughner was and should have been perfectly entitled to carry a gun despite there having been evidence of him being an unstable misfit who could be dangerous? You think that it is fine for mentally ill people to carry guns as long as they have not committed a crime? You don't think the State has the right to restrict the human rights of people who are medically assessed to be a threat to my daughters, if they have not committed a crime?
    I realize that this is off topic but what evidence was there that Loughner was mentally ill? Did he go to a certified quack to be examined? You want gunshops, walmarts and other stores to take part in denying people their constitutional rights based on hear say? This is a man who had planned ahead. Those unconstitutional waiting periods, unconstitutional licenses and any other unconstitutional laws would have not stopped Loughner. So yes Loughner should have been able to buy a gun. Are you suggesting that the federal government have a database of hear-say made by people with no degrees what so ever in the mental health field in order to block other people from owning fire-arms?


    Just checking. It is of course a logical position. It would be great to see it tested at the polls.
    Yes there is a poll
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...e-buy-gun.html
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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I realize that this is off topic but what evidence was there that Loughner was mentally ill? Did he go to a certified quack to be examined? You want gunshops, walmarts and other stores to take part in denying people their constitutional rights based on hear say? This is a man who had planned ahead. Those unconstitutional waiting periods, unconstitutional licenses and any other unconstitutional laws would have not stopped Loughner. So yes Loughner should have been able to buy a gun. Are you suggesting that the federal government have a database of hear-say made by people with no degrees what so ever in the mental health field in order to block other people from owning fire-arms?



    Yes there is a poll
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...e-buy-gun.html
    I'll be waiting to see if he answers apdst. If he doesn't, he's just a hack.
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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    This is ridiculous in my opinion and possibly unconstitutional.
    Are we going to search everyone's home who has made similar comments on the internet? Granted, I didn't see his words in context to form an opinion as to whether or not it was something to be taken seriously.
    Is his blog out there somewhere?
    You have to be kidding me. This guy openly advocated for the assassination of elected officials. Geez.
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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The fruitcakes are still out there, and this particular fruitcake needs to be in jail for threatening the lives of Congresspersons. I am waiting for people to post in this thread about the poor man's first amendment rights being trampled.

    And here is the problem. Along with rights come responsibilities. Of course, there are some who have the right to scream without consequences. They are babies of course. They scream if they want their diaper changed. They scream if they are hungry. They scream if the can't have access to their favorite toy. And that's OK. After all, we are talking about a baby here. As a child grows into a man or woman, the paradigm changes, as responsibility is taught. And grownups just don't claim a first amendment right to advocate murder of government officials. As far as the Second Amendment goes, this Bozo just forfeited his right to it. Again, this is about responsibility. Should criminals be allowed to have guns? Important question, since what this man advocated on his blog is definitely criminal.



    I really want to see if anyone is going to defend this. My bet is that nobody in his right mind will.

    Discussion?

    Article is here.
    Well since you asked. I don't think the comment constituted an actual threat. If we were punishing people through government force against the rights of the individual for every time someone said something about shooting a politician or hanging them or whatever; I dare say many of us would be in dire straights right now. While it is irresponsible to carte blanche advocate violence against the government, it is still a valid and proper tool of the People. Are we at the point where we really need to employ it? No, I don't believe we are. However, violence is the ultimate check against the government the People have. Revolt is a proper tool of the People. Now people have said for decades and more now in jest or sometimes not that so and so politician should be sent to the gallows or something of the sort. I don't think it is proper to use government force against people saying that unless there is evidence indicating that it is a credible threat. That's it.

    With rights comes consequences. And one of those consequences is that the government is restricted from acting against the rights and liberties of the people without due cause. I do not think that was demonstrated nor established in this case. As such, it remains unlawful and unjust use of government force against the rights of the individual.
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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You have to be kidding me. This guy openly advocated for the assassination of elected officials. Geez.
    Where did he say that? I took his comment to mean that we just need to vote the rest of them out of office.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Where did he say that? I took his comment to mean that we just need to vote the rest of them out of office.
    It was the headline “1 down and 534 to go” that caught the attention. “One” refers to Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, who was shot in the head in the rampage, while 534 refers to the other members of the U.S. House and Senate.
    If you haven't noticed, the Congresswoman was shot, not voted out of office.

    In his blog Corcoran writes, “It is absolutely, absolutely unacceptable to shoot indiscriminately. Target only politicians and their staff and leave regular citizens alone.”
    He said "shoot" and "target." Not ballot box.

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    If you haven't noticed, the Congresswoman was shot, not voted out of office.



    He said "shoot" and "target." Not ballot box.
    So, you were there when the thought police did the Vulcan mind meld?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I realize that this is off topic but what evidence was there that Loughner was mentally ill? Did he go to a certified quack to be examined? You want gunshops, walmarts and other stores to take part in denying people their constitutional rights based on hear say? This is a man who had planned ahead. Those unconstitutional waiting periods, unconstitutional licenses and any other unconstitutional laws would have not stopped Loughner. So yes Loughner should have been able to buy a gun. Are you suggesting that the federal government have a database of hear-say made by people with no degrees what so ever in the mental health field in order to block other people from owning fire-arms?



    Yes there is a poll
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...e-buy-gun.html
    There was plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest he was mentally ill. Ultimately, if he was, he never got treatment for it. Responsibility in this case probably lies with the parents and those close to him.

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    There was plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest he was mentally ill. Ultimately, if he was, he never got treatment for it. Responsibility in this case probably lies with the parents and those close to him.
    Oh, so now friends and family are at fault for the Safeway shoot? Boy, that list keeps getting longer and has everyone on it, but Jared Loughner.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Arlington Man Loses Gun License Due To Blog About Tucson Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, so now friends and family are at fault for the Safeway shoot? Boy, that list keeps getting longer and has everyone on it, but Jared Loughner.
    If a neighbor had a pit bull that had shown aggressiveness against humans that got loose from their yard and ripped your child apart.

    Would you say the dog was totally at fault and owner shouldn't have no guilt?

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