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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Good lord this thread is like a conservative circle jerk. Are there any other sources for these figures besides Fox News? I guess I'll add my two cents of centrism to the debate: To be honest, the issue of illegal immigration is one of the things that keeps me in the center, if not for that and a few other issues like wellfare and abortion, I'd probably be a genuine leftist. All three of those issues are simply cases where the left went too far left, where the desire to help others and provide more liberties has had more negative consequences than positive ones. I grew up with hispanics and I love my Chicano friends and I believe in policies like the Dream Act for the children who are already here IF, and I mean IF something is really done to shut the borders because that will only give Mexicans more incentive to cross over illegally for better opportunities for their kids. There are 112 million people sitting directly south of the border in a society that is riddled with outrageous crime, corruption and other social problems. I really don't want them all coming here.

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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No. The link to which I responded specifically referred to "anchor babies," which is a term used exclusively for people born in this country.



    That just means that the children of foreign diplomats or Native Americans are not necessarily US citizens, since they are not subject to the jurisdiction of US laws when they are here. All other foreigners, whether they're here legally or not, are subject to the jurisdiction of the US. It's that jurisdiction that gives USCIS the ability to deport illegal immigrants in the first place.

    Any children of illegal immigrants who are born in this country are American citizens. If you have a problem with that, too bad. They have all the same rights that you do.
    When asked for clarification of this phrase, Sen. Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, author of the 13th Amendment, and the one who inserted the phrase in the 14th replied:

    "The provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means. "
    If a baby is born in the US and even one of its parents is a citizen of another country then that baby is subject to that parents country’s jurisdiction and is not a citizen of the US.
    THAT is the law.

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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post



    If a baby is born in the US and even one of its parents is a citizen of another country then that baby is subject to that parents country’s jurisdiction and is not a citizen of the US.
    THAT is the law.

    Hmm that would suck for my niece if it were true whose mother is Scottish

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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    When asked for clarification of this phrase, Sen. Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, author of the 13th Amendment, and the one who inserted the phrase in the 14th replied:



    If a baby is born in the US and even one of its parents is a citizen of another country then that baby is subject to that parents country’s jurisdiction and is not a citizen of the US.
    THAT is the law.
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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    So I'm guessing the answer to my earlier question is no...
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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    God damn!!!!! When did you grow a pair?
    A better question would be when the **** did you learn how to read? Ive been advocating of nuking the welfare system for a while!
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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The "children of illegal immigrants"? You mean people who were born in this country, and are therefore just as much American citizens as you or anyone else? Educating our young people is an investment, not a cost. The entire premise of your complaint stems from the notion that these American citizens are "the other" and somehow different from you. No one would ever complain about the cost of educating black people, or the cost of educating Jews. So why is it acceptable to do so with THIS group of American citizens?
    Oh, since they were born here, it's ok to break the bank feeding their asses, because their worthless parents won't?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Unfortunately for you, the Supreme Court has disagreed with you for the last 146 years.
    I don't recall anywhere in the Constitution, where it says that you can come here illegally, spit out puppies, then put them on the government dole, that the rest of us have to pay for.

    I look forward to you showing it to me. Thanks in advance.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    A better question would be when the **** did you learn how to read? Ive been advocating of nuking the welfare system for a while!
    Conservatives have always support welfare reform, just like during the 1990's, but they are your biggest target.
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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Your link is called "The Cost of Educating Anchor Babies." That means the kids are citizens...otherwise there is no anchor.
    I KNOW that Kandahar. I clearly stated that in my post. This link refers to the cost of educating the children of illegal immigrants. Some are citizens. Some are not. Our population is being increased at the approximately rate of 360,000 per year (from the link, the approximate number of anchor babies being born of illegals)...anchor babies that are eliglble for all of our public assistance progams, monthly checks...free healthcare...subsidized housing.

    So you wouldn't find anything offensive about someone lamenting how much it "costs" to educate black people? Or some other group of American citizens?
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