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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    ...So why is it acceptable to do so with THIS group of American citizens?

    These are the children of colonists who seek to benefit from their parents' violation of American law. They are the beneficiaries of illegality.

    There is nothing that can be done to stop them. As a technical matter of law they are American citizens, but they will never be my fellow citizens. Let them have all the rights they want and let America burn in hell.

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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    I think we should simply conquere Mexico and make it the next Florida. We could use our military to wipeout all of the drug cartels, take over the nation and let the retiring babyboomers move there for the warm climate! All the illegals will be legal and have to pay taxes!

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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    These are the children of colonists who seek to benefit from their parents' violation of American law. They are the beneficiaries of illegality.
    I'm guessing that someone in your lineage (if your family has been here more than a generation or two) was probably an illegal immigrant. So rather than being selectively outraged at American citizens for the actions of their ancestors, let's just dispense with the racist arguments entirely and call these children what they are: American citizens, who deserve to be educated just as much as any other American citizens.
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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    BTW did this guy state where he got these figures from or are we just trusting random people to their word now?
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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The "children of illegal immigrants"? You mean people who were born in this country, and are therefore just as much American citizens as you or anyone else?
    No. We mean children of foreign nationals who are born subject to the jurisdiction of their parents home countries.
    No where in the US Constitution is a person granted citizenship solely on the act of being born on US soil. A person's parentage is a major factor on citizenship in this country. If even one parent is a citizen of another country then the baby is born a citizen of that country and not the US. That is why the 14th Amendment contains the stipulation "...and subject to the jurisdiction..." in the first paragraph. The writers agreed that was to mean 'subject to the complete jurisdiction of the US'. Or, more importantly, not subject to the jurisdiction of any other country.

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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    No. We mean children of foreign nationals who are born subject to the jurisdiction of their parents home countries.
    No. The link to which I responded specifically referred to "anchor babies," which is a term used exclusively for people born in this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim
    No where in the US Constitution is a person granted citizenship solely on the act of being born on US soil. A person's parentage is a major factor on citizenship in this country. If even one parent is a citizen of another country then the baby is born a citizen of that country and not the US. That is why the 14th Amendment contains the stipulation "...and subject to the jurisdiction..." in the first paragraph. The writers agreed that was to mean 'subject to the complete jurisdiction of the US'. Or, more importantly, not subject to the jurisdiction of any other country.
    That just means that the children of foreign diplomats or Native Americans are not necessarily US citizens, since they are not subject to the jurisdiction of US laws when they are here. All other foreigners, whether they're here legally or not, are subject to the jurisdiction of the US. It's that jurisdiction that gives USCIS the ability to deport illegal immigrants in the first place.

    Any children of illegal immigrants who are born in this country are American citizens. If you have a problem with that, too bad. They have all the same rights that you do.
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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm guessing that someone in your lineage (if your family has been here more than a generation or two) was probably an illegal immigrant. So rather than being selectively outraged at American citizens for the actions of their ancestors, let's just dispense with the racist arguments entirely and call these children what they are: American citizens, who deserve to be educated just as much as any other American citizens.
    It's their country now. They can do whatever they want with it. I'm a stranger in a strange land.

    Edit: No illegal immigrants in my background.
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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The "children of illegal immigrants"? You mean people who were born in this country, and are therefore just as much American citizens as you or anyone else? Educating our young people is an investment, not a cost. The entire premise of your complaint stems from the notion that these American citizens are "the other" and somehow different from you. No one would ever complain about the cost of educating black people, or the cost of educating Jews. So why is it acceptable to do so with THIS group of American citizens?
    No, I don't mean just mean children who were born in this country and are citizens. The statistics are for children of illegal immigrants....all of them. Children being citizens or not. Operative stat being whether or not the parents are legal. I have no complaint. I didn't post one. I merely posted facts. Since when don't we want facts?
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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Instead of complaining about welfare for illegals, how about getting rid of the welfare system completely. Our loose and constantly abused welfare system is one of the causes for illegal immigration.
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    Re: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at $600M in L.A. County

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, I don't mean just mean children who were born in this country and are citizens. The statistics are for children of illegal immigrants....all of them. Children being citizens or not.
    Your link is called "The Cost of Educating Anchor Babies." That means the kids are citizens...otherwise there is no anchor.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD
    Operative stat being whether or not the parents are legal. I have no complaint. I didn't post one. I merely posted facts. Since when don't we want facts?
    So you wouldn't find anything offensive about someone lamenting how much it "costs" to educate black people? Or some other group of American citizens?
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