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Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

i hear you, tho i hope it's not most

there's a far more effective way to get across, in my opinion

it involves linking a lot

I was making an extreme parody of your comment. Depends on the person... and the issue, really.

And even linking is not always effective. Sometimes linking can be very selective.
 
I'm not trying to insult anybody here. I really am not. But if you are regularly watching C-Span can I suggest you take up a hobby? Get outside more often? Go on a date? Seriously, I'm into politics and I have on occasion watched C-Span for an important vote or event. But "watching" C-Span regularly could be a cry for help!

i start almost every day with susan or pedro or steve or peter...

i find it (usually) extremely informative and fascinating

and i relish the power it gives me

knowledge is power

to each his own, of course, friend
 
Its interesting watching you defend a position of inaction towards one of the most serious problems facing America. All I hear from the right is "no" without any solutions to the problems.

Here are some ideas.

For example, the Resurgent Republic poll showed voters support, by 70% to 23%, the ability to buy health insurance across state lines. They back proposals that would make it possible for workers to take their health insurance from job to job by 53% to 36%. And they believe frivolous lawsuits drive up health-care costs by 53% to 38%.
Other GOP initiatives—like allowing people to save more of their paychecks tax free for out-of-pocket medical expenses, and letting small businesses pool risk to get the same discounts that big companies get—are similarly popular. President Obama said after the midterm election results that "he'd be happy to consider . . . ideas for how to improve" health care. Fortunately, Republicans have a ready agenda with widespread public backing.
Rove: The GOP's Health-Care Offensive Has Just Begun - WSJ.com
 
even linking is not always effective. Sometimes linking can be very selective.

then your corresponsdent can argue with the link

links allow one to avoid getting personal

personalities are for adolescents
 
Perhaps they assumed that if they ran away from health care reform, their chances of reelection would improve

perhaps?

Why ever it was, it didn't work out very well for most of them.

and tom perriello's strategy didn't help him, either

whereas joe donnelly's attacks against pelosi saved him his job, by a whisker

If the American public is so furious about insurers no longer being allowed to kick them off the registers when they get sick and/or discriminate against their preexisting conditions, then why isn't this reflected in any recent poll on the subject?

clearly, pre existings didn't enrage the electorate

some of the grosser ingredients of obamacare, however, did

half trillion in cuts to medicare, all the while obama simultaneously expands its already teetering enrollment by millions:

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

er costs increase:

ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

doctors refuse new medicare patients:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html

the doc fix passes, another quarter tril unaccounted for:

Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

another quarter T double counted:

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

our already broken backed states are burdened with 200 billion in the form of brand new medicaid enrollees

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe[/QUOTE]

the bill that was CRAMMED and almost DEEMED is a pig

sorry
 
That's accurate. I haven't watched C-Span in ages. WAY too slow for me. Doesn't NV mean "no vote"?

It means they hadn't voted yet. There was still over 3 minutes left to do so. I didn't watch it but it was probably a 15 min. vote. A lot of times most of the voting is done in the last few minutes.
I think the final vote was all republicans + 4 dems voted to repeal and the rest of the dems voted against repeal.
 
you're defending the mandate?

Buy Insurance or Go to Jail? - The Note

more power to you

party on

No. I am completely against mandating folks to pay for health care. Of all the provisions, that is the ONE that I am completely against. My comment was a more general statement, indicating that we all pay for those who are not insured, anyway. There need to be more controls on how.
 
No. I am completely against mandating folks to pay for health care. Of all the provisions, that is the ONE that I am completely against. My comment was a more general statement, indicating that we all pay for those who are not insured, anyway. There need to be more controls on how.

Taxing people without healthcare is hardly the same as mandating that people to pay for healthcare. The distinction is subtle, but it makes all the difference.
 
This is pretty accurate. And has been going on for decades. I don't remember the last time I actually voted FOR someone.

I know what you mean.
However I did vote for Palin. :):2usflag:
I held my nose for McCain.
 
After a heated midterm election, the Republican-led House easily passed legislation to repeal the nation's sweeping health care law.

The vote was 245-189. There were four Democrats that voted for repeal.

House passes repeal of health care law - On Politics: Covering the US Congress, Governors, and the 2012 Election - USATODAY.com

Step 1 to economic freedom is complete.

This is nothing more than symbolic gesture and you people are making a big deal out of nothing.This is their token attempt at repealing Obama care. If republicans had a majority in both congress and senate and a republican president or had a veto proof majority then sure this would be something to get exited about. The only purpose of this is so they can say "look we tried and it didn't work" and that will be the excuse that they will use for not ever bringing up an Obama care repeal again.
 
Taxing people without healthcare is hardly the same as mandating that people to pay for healthcare. The distinction is subtle, but it makes all the difference.

So subtle that it almost doesn't exist. [/sarcasm]
 
Taxing people without healthcare is hardly the same as mandating that people to pay for healthcare. The distinction is subtle, but it makes all the difference.

It may be subtle, but it seems more like a mandate to me.
 
I am completely against mandating folks to pay for health care.

so is senator mccaskill from the centrist show me state of missouri

the show me's are famous for picking presidents and by the most accurate of margins

missouri is still the most famous bellwether in the country, where 71% voted for measure c in august (i believe) to unmake the mandate

insiders all say that if this loyalist water carrier for obamacare, mccaskill, is against criminalizing americans caught breathing without coverage, then surely joe manchin and ben nelson and kent conrad and joe lieberman and jim webb and jon tester and bill nelson are in play

the mandate really is within reach, and if the mandate is kicked out obamacare collapses

even if it's not, airing the senators' stances will be deadly telling

it will almost surely cost some people their jobs

harry will try to keep it off the floor, it's true, but it will likely require a filibuster

and the PARTY IN POWER filibustering is really quite the anomoly---it aint gonna play

we'll see what happens next

i'll be sure to keep the forum fully informed

i'll see it on cspan, and politico (if no one else) will surely cover it

actually, msnbc's coffee joe in the morning (insufferable as it may be with all its adolescent smirking and smarminess) is in reality an outlet, a vehicle, for roger simon's journolisters

ie, msnbc is usually as good as politico

stay up
 
This is nothing more than symbolic gesture and you people are making a big deal out of nothing.This is their token attempt at repealing Obama care. If republicans had a majority in both congress and senate and a republican president or had a veto proof majority then sure this would be something to get exited about. The only purpose of this is so they can say "look we tried and it didn't work" and that will be the excuse that they will use for not ever bringing up an Obama care repeal again.

no, friend, quite the opposite

Repeal vote is just Republicans' first step on health care - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com
 
News Headlines

Nearly two-thirds of U.S. doctors surveyed fear healthcare reform could worsen care for patients, by flooding their offices and hurting income, according to a Thomson Reuters survey released Tuesday.

"When asked about the quality of healthcare in the U.S. over the next five years, 65 percent of the doctors believed it would deteriorate with only 18 percent predicting it would improve," Thomson Reuters, parent company of Reuters, said in a statement.

The survey found that 65 percent of the doctors predict healthcare quality will decline over the next five years, 18 percent say it will improve and 17 percent believe it will remain the same.

When asked where most of these newly insured people would get care, 55 percent of the doctors said a nurse practitioner or physician assistant would provide care.

As for patients, 57 percent of doctors predicted the impact of the changes will be negative, 27 percent said they would be positive and 15 percent forecast a neutral effect.

dear president obama, you can't fix things by making them worse
 
the courts, the capitols, the congress

the hearings

the funding

the piece by piece repeal---the cuts to medicare, the 1099's, the irs agents, the exemptions, the unfunded burden on bankrupted states, the personal data, the double counting...

and THE MANDATE

just off the top of my head

(actually, nothing is coming outta MY head, it's all in the links)

read the politico piece, it covers at least half of it

take care
 
the mandate really is within reach, and if the mandate is kicked out obamacare collapses

No, actually what would happen is that the rest of the health care reform law would remain intact, and the private insurance industry would collapse.

Anyone who supports repealing the individual mandate - and making no other changes - is essentially in favor of allowing people to game the health care system by waiting until they get sick to sign up for coverage. That would bankrupt every health insurer in America...which is cool with me, but I doubt that the people who claim to support privatized health care would be quite so happy. Do you understand why the individual mandate was included in the first place? It was an olive branch to the health insurers and a means to keep them afloat after banning their worst abuses (e.g. preexisting conditions, kicking sick people off the rolls, looking for a pretext to deny coverage).
 
So subtle that it almost doesn't exist. [/sarcasm]

Actually, it isn't that subtle. A mandate would bring penalties with it. A tax is not a penalty, a tax is just a tax.

It may be subtle, but it seems more like a mandate to me.

Do you say that the government mandates that people get married because we give tax breaks to married couples? Of course you don't! So why is it that you consider giving tax breaks to people who have health insurance a "mandate" to buy health insurance?
 
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What I love is that the Republicans had control of the House, Senate and the Presidency for six years and did nothing about Health care

Medicare D was the largest expansion of that entitlement system since president Johnson. let's not pretend they did 'nothing'.

What have the Republicans done asside from complain about the Democrats plan.

well, for example, the Republican governor of Indiana instituted HSA's for public employees, and seems to be doing pretty well; costs are dropping, people prefer to own their own plan, etc.
 
No, actually what would happen is that the rest of the health care reform law would remain intact, and the private insurance industry would collapse.

which was, after all, the intent.

Anyone who supports repealing the individual mandate - and making no other changes - is essentially in favor of allowing people to game the health care system by waiting until they get sick to sign up for coverage.

wrong. anyone who supports repealing the individual mandate but not repealing the requirement that insurance agencies cover preexisting conditions without reflecting the increase care in their premiums supports such a thing.

forcing insurance companies to cover things after they happen is what collapses the insurance industry.
 
This is nothing more than symbolic gesture and you people are making a big deal out of nothing.This is their token attempt at repealing Obama care. If republicans had a majority in both congress and senate and a republican president or had a veto proof majority then sure this would be something to get exited about. The only purpose of this is so they can say "look we tried and it didn't work" and that will be the excuse that they will use for not ever bringing up an Obama care repeal again.

if they try that, then they will lose every one of their reelection campaigns to a democrat who will have won 40% of the vote; having split conservatives and independents with the Tea Party candidate.


and i'm pretty sure they know that.
 
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