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Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

I know that this won't pass, but it's sort of sickening how insane the Republicans are being on this issue. The fact is that the majority of Americans not only want reform of the healthcare system, they need it. The Republicans are basically arguing for us to go back completely to square one on this, which is absurd. Not that I think the healthcare reform was decent - it sucked - but it's better than where it was previously at, that's for damn sure.

Now only if they could offer a single payer option...
 
Because we're a bunch of evil communists who want to steal your money to make your life miserable. Deal with it.

see my above response to Hazlnut

what part of the constitution properly allows that
 
again-why should I-is the question

Because other people NOT having healthcare will affect you and will cost you... under the current conditions. You end up paying either way, and there are far more controls to this payment if there are contributions by everyone. I'm sure you don't like that, but it's accurate. No one lives in a bubble.
 
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see my above response to Hazlnut

what part of the constitution properly allows that

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
 
Because other people NOT having healthcare will affect you and will cost you... under the current conditions. You end up paying either way, and there are far more controls to this payment if there are contributions by everyone. I'm sure you don't like that, but it's accurate. No one lives in a bubble.

all that would be moot if the federal government had not engaged in this area and made us pay for others
 
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

epic fail-its easy to see when someone has absolutely no understanding of the constitution. that concept of welfare is not income redistribution
 
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Because other people NOT having healthcare will affect you and will cost you... under the current conditions. You end up paying either way, and there are far more controls to this payment if there are contributions by everyone. I'm sure you don't like that, but it's accurate. No one lives in a bubble.

It's a funny argument, isn't it?

"Why should I have to pay more taxes towards the school system? I don't have any kids in school!"
"Why should I have to pay taxes towards roads? I don't own a car!"

The funny thing, though, is that this would be a system that Turtledude would actually use. So it's even more absurd. :D
 
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all that would be moot if the federal government had not engaged in this area and made us pay for others

You still haven't answered my question and provided a solution. Let me guess, you don't have one.
 
all that would be moot if the federal government had not engaged in this area and made us pay for others

Ronpaultopia never has existed, and never will exist, anywhere outside of your imagination. So we should have PRACTICAL methods of paying for things instead of impractical methods of paying for things.
 
You still haven't answered my question and provided a solution. Let me guess, you don't have one.

Its not an area where the federal government has the proper authority to create a solution

I guess you haven't been around long enough to understand that I take the tenth amendment rather seriously.
 
epic fail-its easy to see when someone has absolutely no understanding of the constitution. that concept of welfare is not income redistribution

You asked why you should have to pay for it, not why we have it in the first place. The reason is that Congress has the power to collect taxes. If that wasn't the question you wanted answered, learn to ****ing form a proper sentence instead of blaming me for your incoherence.
 
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all that would be moot if the federal government had not engaged in this area and made us pay for others

Actually, all that would be moot if there were far more regulations on insurance company abuses, so they would actually listen to providers and allow customers to use their benefits appropriately. If THAT happened, other than the regulations instructing this, the federal government would not need to be involved.
 
Ronpaultopia never has existed, and never will exist, anywhere outside of your imagination. So we should have PRACTICAL methods of paying for things instead of impractical methods of paying for things.

your attitude is why we have a malignant and out of control government
 
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

In case I missed it, perhaps you can point out where COngress has the power to force me to purchase a product, so that I can fund an entitlement program for that same product to be provided to others.
 
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

In case I missed it, perhaps you can point out where COngress has the power to force me to purchase a product, so that I can fund an entitlement program for that same product to be provided to others.
 
Actually, all that would be moot if there were far more regulations on insurance company abuses, so they would actually listen to providers and allow customers to use their benefits appropriately. If THAT happened, other than the regulations instructing this, the federal government would not need to be involved.

can you actually prove that claim? it seems that your most socialist members on this board think that everyone ought to have coverage even if they refuse or cannot pay for it. Now how does your solution deal with that?
 
epic fail-its easy to see when someone has absolutely no understanding of the constitution. that concept of welfare is not income redistribution

Actually, I disagree with you, but not about the income redistribution part. General welfare of the US can certainly be interpretted towards assisting in the health of the populace.
 
You asked why you should have to pay for it, not why we have it in the first place. The reason is that Congress has the power to collect taxes. If that wasn't the question you wanted answered, learn to ****ing form a proper sentence instead of blaming me for your incoherence.

getting a bit testy there.

edify me as to your education concerning constitutional scholarship

having actually lectured on the subject-your citation demonstrates a profound lack of understanding of the subject
 
your attitude is why we have a malignant and out of control government

And your attitude is exactly what drives people toward those "wealth redistributionist" or "class warfare" policies you deride. Your incessant whining about how horrible the poor rich folk have it in this country doesn't exactly engender any sympathy for you or your cause.
 
can you actually prove that claim? it seems that your most socialist members on this board think that everyone ought to have coverage even if they refuse or cannot pay for it. Now how does your solution deal with that?

I've posted my solution to health care problems several times at DP. It does address this point pretty clearly. Cannot pay is not an issue, under my plan. Refuse to pay is not the federal government's problem under my plan.
 
Actually, I disagree with you, but not about the income redistribution part. General welfare of the US can certainly be interpretted towards assisting in the health of the populace.

yeah, and someone can interpret the second amendment to give the government power to regulate small arms

doesn't mean its right. and no that was not the intent of that part of the USSC or even contemplated by those who wrote it
 
And your attitude is exactly what drives people toward those "wealth redistributionist" or "class warfare" policies you deride. Your incessant whining about how horrible the poor rich folk have it in this country doesn't exactly engender any sympathy for you or your cause.

Yawn-as if people like you and haymarket were not whining about the rich before I started taking issue with the parasitic mentality
 
Its not an area where the federal government has the proper authority to create a solution

I guess you haven't been around long enough to understand that I take the tenth amendment rather seriously.

Did I say government solution? If you have free market solution, please explain. Or maybe you just think people with prexisting conditions should just fend for themselves?
 
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