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Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

apdst said:
I hope you're right. It will be another guarantee that he will be a one term prez.
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Or assure a second term. Remember, a good deal of those opposed to the bill think it doesn't go far enough. All he has to do is turn them. Do keep that in mind. :coffeepap
 
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Kandahar said:
Are you kidding? He campaigned heavily on health care in 2008 and won by a substantial margin. Even if he was inclined to care more about his reelection than about health care (for which I haven't seen any evidence so far), do you really think that supporting repeal of his signature domestic achievement would help him win reelection? This is one of the most ludicrous assessments I've seen in quite a while.
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You didn't notice how many people are opposed to socialist healtcare reform? Were you sleeping in November?
 
Erod said:
The vast majority of Americans don't want this puke in a bucket, so if Dems want to run in 2012 on this, prepare for a landslide of biblical proportions.
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First of all, the health care reform legislation isn't THAT unpopular. It's about 45% support and 50% oppose, according to the most recent polls I've seen. Hardly the makings of a landslide of biblical proportions, especially considering that it's only one issue. And among those who oppose it, a substantial minority of them think it didn't go FAR ENOUGH in reforming our health care system.

Second of all, the idea that Obama would be helping himself by supporting its repeal is absurd. Just like always, the Democratic coalition will be made up of liberals and moderates, and the Republican coalition will be made up of conservatives and moderates. So how exactly would it be a good thing for Obama to infuriate his base? He isn't going to win an endorsement from the National Review and the Heritage Foundation regardless of what he does.

I love all this political advice to Obama coming from people who undoubtedly have his best interests at heart. :roll:
 
I plan on enlisting in the Marine Corps after college. Hopefully Tricare still works by then.
 
Boo Radley said:
Or assure a second term. Remember, a good deal of those opposed to the bill think it doesn't go far enough. All he has to do is turn them. Do keep that in mind. :coffeepap
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There's that same cockamamy talking point...:lamo
 
Erod said:
The vast majority of Americans don't want this puke in a bucket, so if Dems want to run in 2012 on this, prepare for a landslide of biblical proportions.
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Its actually about half and half. Facts are your friends.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer – Healthcare-NOW!


I guess now is where we get into the "my poll is better" mode.
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You should have read the poll. The question was, should government provide health insurance...it didn't say single-payer. It left room for interpretation. Some may have thought they meant single payer, some may have thought it was referring to Medicare, others may have been thinking of a public option. The question is to vague to infer a definite support of a single-payer system.

Americans are more likely today to embrace the idea of the government providing health insurance than they were 30 years ago. 59% say the government should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say such insurance should cover all medical problems.
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apdst said:
You didn't notice how many people are opposed to socialist healtcare reform? Were you sleeping in November?
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1. The economy was the top issue for most voters, not health care.
2. The polls indicate that the majority of Americans either support the health care reform law, or oppose it because it didn't go far enough.
3. Two years ahead of the next election, you have no idea what the mood of the national electorate will be.
4. If Obama supported repealing health care reform, he would lose practically the entirety of his liberal base, thus dooming his chances at reelection.
5. You don't want Obama to win reelection anyway, so I'm not particularly inclined to believe you are arguing in good faith when you claim he could help his reelection chances by doing what you want.
6. Even if he doesn't get reelected and even if health care reform was the sole reason (which is a pretty dubious assumption), I really don't care. Health care reform is more important than having a Democratic president.
 
Kandahar is correct. A lot of people who don't like the health care bill, don't like it because it didn't go far enough in regulating and reigning in the abuses of the health care industry. Unless the Republicans have an alternative that does more than Obama's plan, their repeal will be pretty empty.
 
A picture is worth a thousand words

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I have noticed that liberals mention reasons why Obama won't allow repeal of obamacare as "it would inflame his base", "he would lose the support of his party", "that would make the democratic party mad" or " vetoing it would reinvigorate his base" etc. Nothing is mentioned of the desire of the American people, the good of the country, etc. Everything obama does is about Obama, getting reelected, pleasing his base, etc. Nowhere is America or American people mentioned. Wow, just wow, lefties. Nothing like being blatent about your lack of care for the country and your sole desire to run Washington. I think zero respect has become negative respect for the left.

Hey guys, just a little FYI, the country comes first, not the democratic party.
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
I have noticed that liberals mention reasons why Obama won't aloe repeal of obamacare as "it would inflame his base", "he would lose the support of his party", "that would make the democratic party mad" or " vetoing it would reinvigorate his base" etc. Nothing is mentioned of te desire of the American people, the good of the country, etc. Everything obama does is about Obama, getting reelected, pleasing his base, etc. Nowhere is America or American people mentioned. Wow, just wow, lefties. Nothing like being blatent about your lack of care for te country and your sole desire to run Washington. I think zero respect has become negative respect for the left.

Hey guys, just a little FYI, the country comes first, not the democratic party.
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I don't see the Republicans doing anything different. Would a Republican vote for the health care bill if he/she thought it was a good idea? No way. It would "affect their base". However, in a big picture way, I completely agree with you. Call me cynical, but I don't believe any politician actually cares about the US. I believe they only have two purposes: to beat the other party and to either get elected or stay in office. Nothing else. All of them.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
I have noticed that liberals mention reasons why Obama won't aloe repeal of obamacare as "it would inflame his base", "he would lose the support of his party", "that would make the democratic party mad" or " vetoing it would reinvigorate his base" etc. Nothing is mentioned of te desire of the American people, the good of the country, etc. Everything obama does is about Obama, getting reelected, pleasing his base, etc. Nowhere is America or American people mentioned. Wow, just wow, lefties. Nothing like being blatent about your lack of care for te country and your sole desire to run Washington. I think zero respect has become negative respect for the left.

Hey guys, just a little FYI, the country comes first, not the democratic party.
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Noooo, we can't have that. That means that the unwashed masses get to have an opinion.
 
StillBallin75 said:
this one has more examples and is probably a lot more specific:

Single-Payer Poll, Survey, and Initiative Results
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'probably'? Did you even READ any of that?

Most are state level, not national.

MOSTdo not even mention 'single-payer'.

The TIME poll was 49% to 46% for single-payer... hardly a mandate, and not even outside the margin of error. AND it was from 2009.

The Yahoo News (really? Yahoo Nws polls???) was Yes 54%, No 44% on single-payer... with a margin of error at about 3%, that's not that big an endorsement of single payer either...AND it was from 2007

That's it. 2 polls... with numbers that are hardly even close to a mandate for single-payer.

I think you're maybe not trying hard enough.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
I have noticed that liberals mention reasons why Obama won't aloe repeal of obamacare as "it would inflame his base", "he would lose the support of his party", "that would make the democratic party mad" or " vetoing it would reinvigorate his base" etc.
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Those things are typically mentioned in response to moronic claims that repealing it would help his chances of reelection. No one is arguing that it should or should not be the reason he does something.

dontworrybehappy said:
Nothing is mentioned of te desire of the American people,
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OK, let's talk about the desire of the American people then. According to the most recent poll I've seen, support and opposition are about equal. 40% support to 41% oppose. And many of those who oppose it think it didn't go far enough. In other words, the Democratic position on health care reform is a lot closer to the median voter than the Republican position.
Poll: Opposition to Health Care Reform Eases - CBS News

dontworrybehappy said:
the good of the country, etc.
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Yeah, that's been hashed out all over this forum for the past two years. Sorry if you and your 908 posts missed that.

dontworrybehappy said:
Everything obama does is about Obama, getting reelected, pleasing his base, etc.
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That sounds like an implicit acknowledgement that the health care reform improves his chances of getting reelected. Yes?

dontworrybehappy said:
Nowhere is America or American people mentioned. Wow, just wow, lefties. Nothing like being blatent about your lack of care for te country and your sole desire to run Washington. I think zero respect has become negative respect for the left.

Hey guys, just a little FYI, the country comes first, not the democratic party.
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If you want to discuss the impact of the health care reform bill, in terms of policy, there are no shortage of threads on this forum in which to do so. :roll:
 
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