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    Re: Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

    yes, it was august

    Prop C passes overwhelmingly

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is nothing more than symbolic gesture and you people are making a big deal out of nothing.This is their token attempt at repealing Obama care. If republicans had a majority in both congress and senate and a republican president or had a veto proof majority then sure this would be something to get exited about. The only purpose of this is so they can say "look we tried and it didn't work" and that will be the excuse that they will use for not ever bringing up an Obama care repeal again.
    no, friend, quite the opposite

    Repeal vote is just Republicans' first step on health care - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

    News Headlines

    Nearly two-thirds of U.S. doctors surveyed fear healthcare reform could worsen care for patients, by flooding their offices and hurting income, according to a Thomson Reuters survey released Tuesday.

    "When asked about the quality of healthcare in the U.S. over the next five years, 65 percent of the doctors believed it would deteriorate with only 18 percent predicting it would improve," Thomson Reuters, parent company of Reuters, said in a statement.

    The survey found that 65 percent of the doctors predict healthcare quality will decline over the next five years, 18 percent say it will improve and 17 percent believe it will remain the same.

    When asked where most of these newly insured people would get care, 55 percent of the doctors said a nurse practitioner or physician assistant would provide care.

    As for patients, 57 percent of doctors predicted the impact of the changes will be negative, 27 percent said they would be positive and 15 percent forecast a neutral effect.
    dear president obama, you can't fix things by making them worse

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    Re: Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

    First step would imply that there are more steps to take. Last time I checked Obama is president and republicans do not have a majority in both congress and senate. So there is no additional steps that they can take. Is hell going to freeze over and all the Obamacare supporters going to repeal Obamacare?
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    Re: Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

    the courts, the capitols, the congress

    the hearings

    the funding

    the piece by piece repeal---the cuts to medicare, the 1099's, the irs agents, the exemptions, the unfunded burden on bankrupted states, the personal data, the double counting...

    and THE MANDATE

    just off the top of my head

    (actually, nothing is coming outta MY head, it's all in the links)

    read the politico piece, it covers at least half of it

    take care

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    Re: Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the mandate really is within reach, and if the mandate is kicked out obamacare collapses
    No, actually what would happen is that the rest of the health care reform law would remain intact, and the private insurance industry would collapse.

    Anyone who supports repealing the individual mandate - and making no other changes - is essentially in favor of allowing people to game the health care system by waiting until they get sick to sign up for coverage. That would bankrupt every health insurer in America...which is cool with me, but I doubt that the people who claim to support privatized health care would be quite so happy. Do you understand why the individual mandate was included in the first place? It was an olive branch to the health insurers and a means to keep them afloat after banning their worst abuses (e.g. preexisting conditions, kicking sick people off the rolls, looking for a pretext to deny coverage).
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    Re: Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    So subtle that it almost doesn't exist. [/sarcasm]
    Actually, it isn't that subtle. A mandate would bring penalties with it. A tax is not a penalty, a tax is just a tax.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It may be subtle, but it seems more like a mandate to me.
    Do you say that the government mandates that people get married because we give tax breaks to married couples? Of course you don't! So why is it that you consider giving tax breaks to people who have health insurance a "mandate" to buy health insurance?
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    Re: Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    What I love is that the Republicans had control of the House, Senate and the Presidency for six years and did nothing about Health care
    Medicare D was the largest expansion of that entitlement system since president Johnson. let's not pretend they did 'nothing'.

    What have the Republicans done asside from complain about the Democrats plan.
    well, for example, the Republican governor of Indiana instituted HSA's for public employees, and seems to be doing pretty well; costs are dropping, people prefer to own their own plan, etc.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No, actually what would happen is that the rest of the health care reform law would remain intact, and the private insurance industry would collapse.
    which was, after all, the intent.

    Anyone who supports repealing the individual mandate - and making no other changes - is essentially in favor of allowing people to game the health care system by waiting until they get sick to sign up for coverage.
    wrong. anyone who supports repealing the individual mandate but not repealing the requirement that insurance agencies cover preexisting conditions without reflecting the increase care in their premiums supports such a thing.

    forcing insurance companies to cover things after they happen is what collapses the insurance industry.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is nothing more than symbolic gesture and you people are making a big deal out of nothing.This is their token attempt at repealing Obama care. If republicans had a majority in both congress and senate and a republican president or had a veto proof majority then sure this would be something to get exited about. The only purpose of this is so they can say "look we tried and it didn't work" and that will be the excuse that they will use for not ever bringing up an Obama care repeal again.
    if they try that, then they will lose every one of their reelection campaigns to a democrat who will have won 40% of the vote; having split conservatives and independents with the Tea Party candidate.


    and i'm pretty sure they know that.

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