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Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

ptif219 said:
It is in his Word, The Bible. So yes He did personally tell me
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By that logic He told me a different story. Why is your story more valid then mine?
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
No, you're absolutely right. Drugs and abortions...totally the same thing. :doh
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I think its more moral to shoot up heroine that to terminate a 14 week old fetus. Would you agree?
 
X Factor said:
Yes, I was curious how the choicers would react to the story. On one hand, they're not going to want condone this, probably. On the other, they can't bash the doc too much.
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I'm prochoice, and the doc is a ****ing butcher, who is a horrible murderer. Being prochoice has nothing to do with being able to see that this doctor is a horrible person.
 
Your Star said:
No, having murder, rape, theft illegal is better than having it legal. That is not the issue with abortions. It has a worse effect on society for it to be illegal, then legal.
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So you okay with over a million babies a year being killed by their mothers?
 
X Factor said:
Yes, I was curious how the choicers would react to the story. On one hand, they're not going to want condone this, probably. On the other, they can't bash the doc too much.
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I for one think it's appalling. This guy deserves to go to prison. He was clearly breaking the law. I joined the discussion because some people were trying to imply that this guy is no different than an average abortion doctor who follows the letter of the law. The conversation has been veering away from this particular story since then.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
It's a choice they make when there aren't other safer options available. BTW, a fetus is not a human being, it's a human in development. A human in development isn't even capable of making a choice about anything. Again, not the same thing.
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A 6 month old isn't capable of making a choice, does that mean they aren't protected by the government? When does a human surpass the "development" stage in your mind and become "human"?
 
Johnny Centrist said:
I think its more moral to shoot up heroine that to terminate a 14 week old fetus. Would you agree?
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That is off topic and if you would like to discuss that elsewhere, feel free. Heroin and abortion have nothing to do with each other. Again, is it really that hard for you to come up with an example that actually is in line with the topic at hand?
 
X Factor said:
Yes, I was curious how the choicers would react to the story. On one hand, they're not going to want condone this, probably. On the other, they can't bash the doc too much.
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You'd think any honest prochoicer would condemn this behavior in a heartbeat. This was beyond the pale, as they say. One particular user who weighs in on every single every single every single abortion thread has thus far remained silent.....;-)
 
ptif219 said:
No He didn't you just justify your personal view that disagrees with the Bible
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And what makes you so prideful that you know you are 100% right?
 
Johnny Centrist said:
A 6 month old isn't capable of making a choice, does that mean they aren't protected by the government? When does a human surpass the "development" stage in your mind and become "human"?
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Once again, you are trying to compare a human to a human in development. Try again.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
That is off topic and if you would like to discuss that elsewhere, feel free. Heroin and abortion have nothing to do with each other. Again, is it really that hard for you to come up with an example that actually is in line with the topic at hand?
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Its not off topic. Answer the question.
 
ptif219 said:
Read the Bible God rewarded mid wives for going against pharoah and refused to abort male babies
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Like I said, I don't mix my religion with my politics, my personal religious objections to abortion have nothing to do with why I think we should keep abortion legal.
 
ptif219 said:
Read the Bible God rewarded mid wives for going against pharoah and refused to abort male babies
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Can't we remember that only 1 in 3 even believe in the Bible? And can't we ever discuss abortion (in this case, outright murder) without evoking the Bible? Getting as bad as Godwin.
 
Your Star said:
No, having murder, rape, theft illegal is better than having it legal. That is not the issue with abortions.
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It is the same with abortion if you are actually pro-life.No one who is actually pro-life wants it to be safe and legal for a mother to kill her own child.

I realize that you are an abortionist. Like all abortionist you have conned yourself into thinking that is not a real child, its not really human and its only a clump of cells and therefore no different than clipping a toenail. So the idea that a child in the womb should have the same legal protect and the right to life as you or I is absurd to you people.

It has a worse effect on society for it to be illegal, then legal.
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Only for abortionists is it better for abortion to be legal. Keeping abortion legal is not good for society or the child in the womb.
 
Your Star said:
Like I said, I don't mix my religion with my politics, my personal religious objections to abortion have nothing to do with why I think we should keep abortion legal.
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Pro-Choice is one of the reasons I can't fully embrace the Democratic Party even though I believe in social liberalism on almost every other level. In my opinion the legalization of abortion is liberalism gone too far. Its not a matter of "choice" or the rights of the woman in my opinion because in my opinion, the fetus itself has rights and those rights are being violated. As a centrist, I'd be willing to find middle ground and adopt a policy where abortions are permitted in cases of rape and incest and danger to the mother's health, etc. and also, as a form of compromise, maybe permitting abortions that are done within 30 days of conception or something. Anything after that I think is a moral and legal violations of the fetus rights that simply can't be justified.
 
Looks like Dr. Pat ran off when I asked his opinion on when human development ends and human life starts. That one usually gets the pro-choicers lol
 
jamesrage said:
It is the same with abortion if you are actually pro-life.No one who is actually pro-life wants it to be safe and legal for a mother to kill her own child.

I realize that you are an abortionist. Like all abortionist you have conned yourself into thinking that is not a real child, its not really human and its only a clump of cells and therefore no different than clipping a toenail. So the idea that a child in the womb should have the same legal protect and the right to life as you or I is absurd to you people.


Only for abortionists is it better for abortion to be legal. Keeping abortion legal is not good for society or the child in the womb.
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I am not an abortionist, I will never get an abortion, and I couldn't live with myself if I did. I don't believe it is right, and I would recommend to my friends to give the baby up for adoption instead of having it aborted. But that is my choice, and I am in no way prideful enough to think that my choice is best for everyone in every circumstance. And I know with my study of history that having abortion illegal has a worse effect on society, then having it legal. Don't assume what I am, just because I disagree with you. Not everyone who disagrees with you fits the same cookie cutter reason for disagreeing with you.
 
12 week fetus

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40 week fetus

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So, according to pro-choicers, killing the 12 week fetus is ok, but not the 40 week fetus?
 
Johnny Centrist said:
Looks like Dr. Pat ran off when I asked his opinion on when human development ends and human life starts. That one usually gets the pro-choicers lol
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I missed your question. Feel free to continue to pat yourself on the back though for your so-called victory. Human development obviously ends in the 9th month.
 
Johnny Centrist said:
12 week fetus

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40 week fetus

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So, according to pro-choicers, killing the 12 week fetus is ok, but not the 40 week fetus?
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Yes, because there is a huge difference between a 12 week fetus and a 40 week fetus. Seriously, do yourself a favor and do some research on what a fetus develops in between that time.
 
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