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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    One could say the same about killing a 2 year old versus an adult. Can we put a value of life upon someone based on the amount of cells they have?
    Yes we can, and do.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Yes we can, and do.
    But we shouldn't it's wrong. Just because we can doesn't mean we should. But regardless, that logic would dictate that killing a 2 year old is less wrong than killing an adult because the difference in BCR's example was the cell count of the four week old fetus.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    But we shouldn't it's wrong. Just because we can doesn't mean we should. But regardless, that logic would dictate that killing a 2 year old is less wrong than killing an adult because the difference in BCR's example was the cell count of the four week old fetus.
    I think you are missing the point that there is a minimum threshold that must be met. A two year old qualifies as much as an adult does.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I think you are missing the point that there is a minimum threshold that must be met. A two year old qualifies as much as an adult does.
    So once the minimum threshold of cells is met that merits killing anything under the threshold? What is that number? In this specific case, why is it ok to abort children in the womb, but not force delivery and kill it outside the womb?
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So once the minimum threshold of cells is met that merits killing anything under the threshold? What is that number? In this specific case, why is it ok to abort children in the womb, but not force delivery and kill it outside the womb?
    Because that is what society has determined. That's how social constructs work.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Because that is what society has determined. That's how social constructs work.
    And social constructs can be wrong. Slavery was once a social construct, but I'm sure everyone would say it was immoral and one of the greatest atrocities our nation has committed. I recognize that abortion is a legal social construct in this day and age. However, like slavery, I feel it is morally wrong and it should be changed. I think allowing abortion to be illegal but make murder illegal is illogical. I think it's hypocrisy for the law to say it's ok to kill a baby in the womb, but it's wrong to have that fetus delivered and killed. In this case, the law does not give justice to the unborn.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    One could say the same about killing a 2 year old versus an adult. Can we put a value of life upon someone based on the amount of cells they have?
    a two year feels pain and has consciousness like an Adult...A four week old embryo does neither of those two things.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    If a woman is willing to kill her baby during pregnancy or after birth I don’t want her to have children. I would give abortions on demand and sterilize the woman.

    75% or more of the people in prison were unwanted children.
    Well, these were murders on demand, in my opinion. And I'm sure, unless by accident, no one was sterilized. I don't believe your statistic re our prison population.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's also a moral idea. I believe every abortion is murder. I think it's illogical to allow the killing of fetuses inside a womb but have it illegal to force delivery and kill them outside the womb and have it legally be murder.
    I'm not quite with you on "every abortion." I'm ProChoice up until 3 full months. Surely there is a moral difference between 3 months and 6...and 7...and 8...

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    There is a pretty sizable difference in terminating a small congregation of cells at 4 weeks and an almost full sized baby at 8 months....
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    a two year feels pain and has consciousness like an Adult...A four week old embryo does neither of those two things.
    So, by the same logic. Is it ok to kill someone in a coma because at that time they are not conscious and cannot feel the pain? Is not being able to feel pain a justification for killing someone?
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And social constructs can be wrong. Slavery was once a social construct, but I'm sure everyone would say it was immoral and one of the greatest atrocities our nation has committed. I recognize that abortion is a legal social construct in this day and age. However, like slavery, I feel it is morally wrong and it should be changed. I think allowing abortion to be illegal but make murder illegal is illogical. I think it's hypocrisy for the law to say it's ok to kill a baby in the womb, but it's wrong to have that fetus delivered and killed. In this case, the law does not give justice to the unborn.
    Sure, it can be changed. I doubt it will. As population exponentially increases along with the demand for resources, I don't see this changing at all though.
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