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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The fetus becomes viable outside the womb, and at that point, its rights trump the mother's rights. A fetus at 7 weeks is a clump of cells that may be flushed from her uterus next week, spontaneously.

    This issue is not metaphysical for me, it's medical. I deal with my emotional feelings about abortion by realizing, pragmatically, that we have no realistic means for forcing women to incubate fetuses to full term, and such an act would cause ten million more problems than we currently have.
    I don't know Catz. I respect the experiences you've had in dealing with kids from dysfunctional families, but those things are apparently occurring now, while abortion is legal and virtually available on demand.

    Do you really want to see women in prison cells for trying to obtain an abortion? I mean, have you really thought through the inevitable results of outlawing abortion wholesale?
    It wasn't all that long ago that abortion was illegal. I don't necessarily think that the best thing to do is criminalize women seeking abortion. I think the focus of the law should be more on those performing abortions.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

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    Abortion Doctor Charged With Murder - WSJ.com

    I wonder what makes this doc any different than other abortion doc. I mean, if it's all about choice, why should it matter how far along the pregnancy is when it's terminated?
    I read about this MFer! This is what the liberals have brought us to. All abortion lovers are to blame for this. You and your Roe vs Wade. Don't you be surprised at the disgust from the right, you have it coming.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

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    I read about this MFer! This is what the liberals have brought us to. All abortion lovers are to blame for this. You and your Roe vs Wade. Don't you be surprised at the disgust from the right, you have it coming.

    This guy...This monster would have done this no matter the law.

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    This guy...This monster would have done this no matter the law.
    I don't know, Winston. The legality of abortion, even late-term abortion, gave him a legal fiction and front to operate under. The inadequate (all but non-existant) oversight of his facility gave him free reign, under a false-front of legal abortion, to practice his abhorrent infanticide. He was able to hide behind the "color of law" while committing his murders.

    Had this not been so, it is uncertain what he may or may not have done. Speculation.

    I have long thought that rampant abortion leads to a general callousness about the lives of "unborn" babies... much of his infanticide is merely taking that which IS legal one step further, where the same baby he would have killed IN the womb is killed OUT of the womb. There is a fundamental insanity in the whole partial-birth abortion issue: that if the head of the babe is still in the birth canal when it is killed, it is merely a medical proceedure to remove unwanted tissue, but if the head is out, it is murder. A few inches difference in position makes the difference between unwanted tissue and human baby??

    Probably a lot more of this goes on that we know.

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    "Murder" is a legal term. This story is murder. Not every abortion is murder.
    Good point. A "legal" abortion is state sanctioned killing.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I don't know, Winston. The legality of abortion, even late-term abortion, gave him a legal fiction and front to operate under. The inadequate (all but non-existant) oversight of his facility gave him free reign, under a false-front of legal abortion, to practice his abhorrent infanticide. He was able to hide behind the "color of law" while committing his murders.

    Had this not been so, it is uncertain what he may or may not have done. Speculation.

    I have long thought that rampant abortion leads to a general callousness about the lives of "unborn" babies... much of his infanticide is merely taking that which IS legal one step further, where the same baby he would have killed IN the womb is killed OUT of the womb. There is a fundamental insanity in the whole partial-birth abortion issue: that if the head of the babe is still in the birth canal when it is killed, it is merely a medical proceedure to remove unwanted tissue, but if the head is out, it is murder. A few inches difference in position makes the difference between unwanted tissue and human baby??

    Probably a lot more of this goes on that we know.
    It does give one pause. Just who is responsible for regulating the abortion industry?
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    It does give one pause. Just who is responsible for regulating the abortion industry?
    I don't know about the US, but in all other Western countries, abortion like all other medical procedures is regulated by the local Health Care Department. There must be a government body in each US state that is responsible for making sure each medical practice from big hospitals to small clinics is operating within the law. I don't understand how this man was able to do this for so long without anyone ever saying anything.

    My take on this is that it's no so much the legality of abortion that is to blame, but more how far along in the pregnancy abortion is considered legal. With the exception of the UK and Finland, no other Western country other than the US allows elective abortions after the first trimester. This is also where my pro-choice stance ends quite abruptly. I will never support elective abortion past week 12 of pregnancy. I've always been very surprised that the US allows it until week 24 given the continuous, divisive debate on this issue for decades now.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I don't know about the US, but in all other Western countries, abortion like all other medical procedures is regulated by the local Health Care Department. There must be a government body in each US state that is responsible for making sure each medical practice from big hospitals to small clinics is operating within the law. I don't understand how this man was able to do this for so long without anyone ever saying anything.

    My take on this is that it's no so much the legality of abortion that is to blame, but more how far along in the pregnancy abortion is considered legal. With the exception of the UK and Finland, no other Western country other than the US allows elective abortions after the first trimester. This is also where my pro-choice stance ends quite abruptly. I will never support elective abortion past week 12 of pregnancy. I've always been very surprised that the US allows it until week 24 given the continuous, divisive debate on this issue for decades now.
    Yeah, definitely not one of our finer ideals. It's even worse that, late term abortions are available even after 24 weeks so long as there can be some claim that carrying the baby will harm the mom "mentally". Not a very high obstacle to overcome
    As of April 2007, 36 states had bans on late-term abortions that were not facially unconstitutional (i.e. banning all abortions) or enjoined by court order.[16] In addition, the Supreme Court in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart ruled that Congress may ban certain late-term abortion techniques, "both previability and postviability". All[17] of the 36 state bans are believed by pro-choice organizations to be unconstitutional.[18][19] The Supreme Court has held that bans must include exceptions for threats to the woman's life, physical health, and mental health, but four states allow late-term abortions only when the woman's life is at risk; four allow them when the woman's life or physical health is at risk, but use a definition of health that pro-choice organizations believe is impermissibly narrow.[16] Assuming that one of these state bans is constitutionally flawed, then that does not necessarily mean that the entire ban would be struck down: "invalidating the statute entirely is not always necessary or justified, for lower courts may be able to render narrower declaratory and injunctive relief."[20]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion

    Also notice that pro choice groups think that even late term abortion bans are wrong or unconstitutional. If these groups ulitmately end up getting their way through lobbying efforts or whatever, what the doctor in the OP did would be legal.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    This guy...This monster would have done this no matter the law.
    This guy has a license to practice till last year. Could it be a coincidence that his attorney is the great-grandson of Brennan of Roe vs Wade fame?
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