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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

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    Some posters think the best way to get respect is to insult others. Debate doesn't involve insulting other people -- neither for their ideas, nor for their beliefs. That is a lesson you apparently have yet to learn. In another incarnation here or on other debate forums you've left...
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Notice that it said usually intend as an offensive term, meaning it is not always used as an offensive term. And it still proves that pro-abortion is synonymous with abortionist.
    Are you saying that you didn't mean it as an insult? If that is the case, why not refer to pro-choice people as pro-choice?

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    Two words for you: birth control and adoption. American couples fly to countries like Russia and China every year to spend 30,000+ to adopt kids. I don't understand why pro-lifers believe kids of unwanted pregnancies would have no homes if they just improved the American adoption system. Also, birth control works. People just don't use it like they should. There should be more education and more easily available birth control. Terminating 4 month old fetuses to fix the problem is an end justifies the means. I'm not much of a Machiavellian.
    I have family who are right now trying to adopt a Korean baby. Why? Because the wait for a baby in the United States is soooo long. Just like puppies at the pound. Somebody'll take those -- but the 6-year-olds? Dogs/kids -- not enough takers.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    In some circumstances, I believe that charging people who intentionally kill an unborn baby is rational.
    So if a male punches a woman in the stomach with the intention of killing her 12 week old fetus, and succeeds, do you believe he should be charged with murder as our current laws stipulate?

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    Two words for you: birth control and adoption. American couples fly to countries like Russia and China every year to spend 30,000+ to adopt kids. I don't understand why pro-lifers believe kids of unwanted pregnancies would have no homes if they just improved the American adoption system. Also, birth control works. People just don't use it like they should. There should be more education and more easily available birth control. Terminating 4 month old fetuses to fix the problem is an end justifies the means. I'm not much of a Machiavellian.
    American couples want perfect infants. They don't want 4 year old fetal alcohol syndrome black children from the foster care system whose mothers weren't suited to be mothers. I work in the system, finding placements for the types of children who result from unwanted pregnancies is extremely difficult, which is why these children languish in foster care for years.

    And let me ask you something else: If a woman can't figure out how to successfully work birth control, do you think she's going to be successful at managing her pregnancy to bring about a healthy baby, and then will succeed in working through the adoption process? Because, frankly, I work with these types of people and have done so for the past 20 years. I think you're really mistaken if you think that this is all going to end well, for the babies.

    Your position seems to bear little relationship to the reality of unwanted children.

    I believe that abortion should be legal through the first trimester, but that once a fetus becomes viable outside the womb (at present, around 24 weeks), it should be strictly illegal.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    So if a male punches a woman in the stomach with the intention of killing her 12 week old fetus, and succeeds, do you believe he should be charged with murder as our current laws stipulate?
    It would largely depend on the circumstances of the case. I would prefer to see him charged with manslaughter or reckless endangerment. After 24 weeks, however, I consider murder an appropriate charge.

    See, we're talking about biology here. And 1/3 of all pregnancies actually are naturally terminated (biologically speaking) during the first trimester. So, I have some ethical qualms about charging someone with homicide/murder for ending a pregnancy at that point.

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    If people insult me and speak to me in condescending tones then I return the favor.
    Don't dish it if you can't take it. You actually started this ball rolling.

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    So if a male punches a woman in the stomach with the intention of killing her 12 week old fetus, and succeeds, do you believe he should be charged with murder as our current laws stipulate?
    You failed to answer my question. Is a 2-week-old fetus the same as a 38-week-old fetus?

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    American couples want perfect infants. They don't want 4 year old fetal alcohol syndrome black children from the foster care system whose mothers weren't suited to be mothers. I work in the system, finding placements for the types of children who result from unwanted pregnancies is extremely difficult, which is why these children languish in foster care for years.

    And let me ask you something else: If a woman can't figure out how to successfully work birth control, do you think she's going to be successful at managing her pregnancy to bring about a healthy baby, and then will succeed in working through the adoption process?

    Your position seems to bear little relationship to the reality of unwanted children.

    I believe that abortion should be legal through the first trimester, but that once a fetus becomes viable outside the womb (at present, around 24 weeks), it should be strictly illegal.
    I have done lots of volunteer work with these same types of kids in downtown Atlanta, Miami and San Francisco. As much as it hurts me to see kids in these positions, most of them are great and have an eagerness to learn and live life when they are guided by the right role models. I think the concern should be improving the adoption or foster care system, instead of killing them off. Personally, if you want to know the truth, I believe in temporary sterilization of certain individuals who have a long history of mental illness, drug abuse and/or criminal activity, that could be reversed if they ever prove they are able to function in society. I also believe in forced birth control for kids under 18. These are incredibly extreme positions and they would never fly in America and most people think those ideas are too Nazish, but I've seen the same things you have, and I know a large percentage of the people who have kids, don't need to be having kids. However, something in my soul can't agree with terminating fetuses that are more than 30 days old.

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Are you saying that you didn't mean it as an insult? If that is the case, why not refer to pro-choice people as pro-choice?
    I never used the term as an insult. I am not going to change the words I use just because you people like to pretend to be offended just so you can keep up the lie that you can be pro-choice and pro-abortion or try to dictate the terms that can be used in an abortion debate. Using the term pro-abortion instead of pro-choice has nothing to do with the definition that abortionist is usually used as an insult or is another term for pro-abortion.
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