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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Explain to me how abortion is actually good for society,
    You have to look at it as a realist. Abortions are NEVER going to stop, you can't ignore that fact, and having abortions legal, is better than having it illegal, due to the fact that it will harm women. Abortion by itself isn't good, but when you put it in the context of the real world, having it legal, is better then having it illegal.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Those are issues with two absolutist positions.
    Abortion is a completely different issue. One side is absolutist and the other side advocates choice, not one choice over another. Again, what part of that don't you get? Calling pro-choice people pro-abortion is purely an emotional response
    Lets use your pro-abortion rhetoric to gay marriage and the 2nd amendment.

    Being pro-gay marriage does not mean you want every one to marry someone of the same gender.
    Being pro-abortion abortion does not mean you want every woman to have an abortion.

    Being pro-gay marriage does not mean that you want more gay marriages
    Being pro-abortion does not mean you want more abortions.

    Being pro-gay marriage does not mean that you yourself would marry someone of the same gender.
    Being pro-abortion does not mean that you yourself would have an abortion.

    Being pro-gay marriages can mean that you are for it being legal.
    Being pro-abortion can mean that you are for it being legal.

    Being pro-2nd amendment does not mean you want school kids walking around with guns to school.
    Being pro-abortion does not mean you want every female to have abortion.

    Being pro-2nd amendment does not mean you want the tax payers to buy every man,woman and child a gun.
    Being pro-abortion does not mean you want the tax payers to pay for it.

    Being pro-2nd amendment does not mean you would have a weapon.
    Being pro-abortion does not mean you would get an abortion.

    Being pro-2nd amendment means you support everyone's constitutional right to keep and bear arms without the government infringing on those rights
    Being pro-abortion means that you support the legalization of abortion.

    You are pro-abortion.If you don't like being pro-abortion then be opposed to legalized abortion.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Call it whatever you want. I'll answer the questions I feel like answering. It seems you are interested in little more than baiting.
    Translation: my answers to your questions would not pass the laugh test.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You have to look at it as a realist. Abortions are NEVER going to stop, you can't ignore that fact
    Murder,rape,drive by shootings, car jackings, child molestation, bank robberies and other violent crime are never going to stop. You can't ignore that fact.
    and having abortions legal, is better than having it illegal, due to the fact that it will harm women.
    Giving violent criminals bullet proof vests and guns and making their violent criminal activities legal is better because making those things illegal causes them more harm.



    Abortion by itself isn't good, but when you put it in the context of the real world, having it legal, is better then having it illegal.
    What a load a horse crap.


    What you have showed here is a lack of understanding to what I typed. Personally I am pro-life, but I am not going to force others into my choice. That is why I am politically pro choice. The fact is, that having fetus's aborted, does not have the same negative impact on society that having countless women being maimed, and killed by back ally abortions. That is why I am pro-choice politically, if you can not understand that difference now then you'll never understand it. You don't have to agree with me, just understand where I am coming from, I am not a pro-abortionist by any means, in fact I think it will be very hard to find even 1 pro-abortionist.
    You are one of the other not both. If you are pro-life then that means you want abortion to be illegal because the fact you view the child in the womb to be no different than one outside the womb and therefore deserves the right to life and the same legal protections as anyone outside the womb.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Murder,rape,drive by shootings, car jackings, child molestation, bank robberies and other violent crime are never going to stop. You can't ignore that fact.


    Giving violent criminals bullet proof vests and guns and making their violent criminal activities legal is better because making those things illegal causes them more harm.
    False. Having those things illegal has a better effect on society than having them legal. You are either ignoring my point, trying to distort it, or just don't understand it.




    What a load a horse crap.
    It's just the truth, and history shows that.

    You are one of the other not both. If you are pro-life then that means you want abortion to be illegal because the fact you view the child in the womb to be no different than one outside the womb and therefore deserves the right to life and the same legal protections as anyone outside the womb.
    You just don't understand the difference between one's personal life, beliefs, and the way they conduct themselves, vs how someone's political beliefs are constructed. Life isn't black, and white, and I can be personally against something, while not wanting it to be outlawed. Having abortion illegal just hurts women, and history has shown that. So if you fail to see the nuance of my position, and the fact that I can be pro-life personally(by the fact that I will never get an abortion, and won't encourage any of my friends to get one either) but pro choice politically, by the fact that the net effect on society is worse by having abortion illegal(like other things ex,weed,prostitution), then having it legal.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Lets use your pro-abortion rhetoric to gay marriage and the 2nd amendment.

    Being pro-gay marriage does not mean you want every one to marry someone of the same gender.
    Being pro-abortion abortion does not mean you want every woman to have an abortion.

    Being pro-gay marriage does not mean that you want more gay marriages
    Being pro-abortion does not mean you want more abortions.

    Being pro-gay marriage does not mean that you yourself would marry someone of the same gender.
    Being pro-abortion does not mean that you yourself would have an abortion.

    Being pro-gay marriages can mean that you are for it being legal.
    Being pro-abortion can mean that you are for it being legal.

    Being pro-2nd amendment does not mean you want school kids walking around with guns to school.
    Being pro-abortion does not mean you want every female to have abortion.

    Being pro-2nd amendment does not mean you want the tax payers to buy every man,woman and child a gun.
    Being pro-abortion does not mean you want the tax payers to pay for it.

    Being pro-2nd amendment does not mean you would have a weapon.
    Being pro-abortion does not mean you would get an abortion.

    Being pro-2nd amendment means you support everyone's constitutional right to keep and bear arms without the government infringing on those rights
    Being pro-abortion means that you support the legalization of abortion.

    You are pro-abortion.If you don't like being pro-abortion then be opposed to legalized abortion.
    And I've already explained to you that you can't really compare being pro-choice with other absolutist stances on other issues. Try again.

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Translation: my answers to your questions would not pass the laugh test.
    Thank you for proving my point yet again.

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    And I've already explained to you that you can't really compare being pro-choice with other absolutist stances on other issues. Try again.
    I just proved to you it can. The only reason you abortionists try to play the you can be pro-life and pro-abortion at the same time is so you people can falsely claim that not all pro-lifers support making abortion illegal. Pro-choice is pro-abortion,because wanting it to be legal for a mother to kill her unborn child is the opposite of pro-life.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 01-20-11 at 11:12 AM.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I just proved to you it can. The only reason you abortionists try to play the you can be pro-life and pro-abortion at the same time is so you people can falsely claim that not all pro-lifers support making abortion illegal. Pro-choice is pro-abortion,because wanting it to be legal for a mother to kill her unborn child is the opposite of pro-life.
    Not at all. Pro choice is wanting it to be legal for a mother to make a choice whether it be abortion or otherwise. Hence, the "choice" part of pro-choice. Again, you are basing your rhetoric in emotion and not logic. Try again.

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Explain to me how abortion is actually good for society,
    Let me help you understand. I've spent the last 20 years of my life working with people who are unfit to be parents, and the offspring they inflict on the rest of us. We've thrown untold trillions of dollars into a black hole of families that should never have existed. We incarcerate these people, at a cost of around $40k per person, per year. We spend trillions policing them, providing social services to them, removing children from their homes, dealing with the educational problems of their offspring, and the list goes on. If you look at the root causes of crime and delinquency, almost all of it has its origins in the home.

    So...let me just say it. Some people are not suited to be parents. If they can self-select, and decide not to have children, we all experience a net gain.

    The simple fact of the matter, X, is that we aren't islands. What one unfit mother does affects all of us through the actions of her child.

    If that mother cares so little about the welfare of her fetus that she's willing to flush it down a sink, who am I to try and persuade her to follow a different course? If that woman cares so little about the welfare of her fetus, why would we presume that she would do what is necessary to carry a healthy infant to term so it can be adopted?

    That woman needs to not be a parent. Clearly she's realized it. It's time for the rest of us to do so, as well. Our foster care/child welfare systems are overwhelmed. Our prisons are overcrowded. Our cops are out-gunned, out-manned, and underfunded. We do not need more unwanted children.

    We're already drowning in them.
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