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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    Your anger, or your arrogance or your ignorance (I can't decide which one) about this topic is preventing you from seeing the correlation between my points. The abortion debate CENTERS around when a fetus is considered a human being with rights. Every person, including yourself, believes that once a fetus is out of the womb it should be illegal for anyone to terminate it. However some people believe that these laws should apply while the fetus is in the womb and other believe they shouldn't apply. By examining other situations where fetuses are terminated in the womb, we can analyze definitions of "life" and "murder", and try to come to a conclusion of the definition. They are totally related.
    No, you are using two completely different topics to try and prove a very weak point. It's a stretch and you know it.

    I'm not asking you what the laws are, I'm asking your opinion on what they should be. If this were a thread about what the laws already are, there would be no thread because roe vs wade is in effect. Instead this about what people think the law should be. So again, do you think the hypothetical male should be charged with murder?
    I don't really have an opinion on what they should be. I would have to see how the justice system would weigh in on the issue before I could give an assessment. I'm sorry if that answer isn't sufficient for you, but I'm not going to feed into your whacked out scenario to help prove your weak point. If you don't like that, feel free to discuss the issue with someone else.

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

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    I was not talking about this positions only.
    Whats the point. If you are talking gay marriage in my state we have voted twice it is between a man and a woman. That has happened in every state that had a vote on a costitutional ammenment on marriage. Are you saying this happened because of me and my religious beliefs/\?

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

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    You can say we are wrong and destined for hell until your throats hurt, but don't put your religious believes into law for the rest of us to abide by.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I don't really have an opinion on what they should be. I would have to see how the justice system would weigh in on the issue before I could give an assessment. I'm sorry if that answer isn't sufficient for you, but I'm not going to feed into your whacked out scenario to help prove your weak point. If you don't like that, feel free to discuss the issue with someone else.
    So you have no opinions of your own and simply go by what the law says? Interesting.

    By the way my point isn't "whacked out" and it totally relates to the debate. There is something called the Unborn Victims of Violence Act that was established in 2004 and this brought about intense debate and disapproval from pro-choicers, because, get this...abortion and violence against fetuses are totally related! You suck at debating and you've offered nothing of value to this debate. Go to college.

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

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    No, I am asserting that a woman should have full control of her reproductive system, and that when someone takes that control away, it should be under the law assumed that the baby was going to be born, and the person who punched her should be charged accordingly.
    So you are saying that a fetus is considered a life when the woman wants it to live, but it is not considered a life when the woman doesn't want it to live? I had no idea life was relative, lol.

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    So you are saying that a fetus is considered a life when the woman wants it to live, but it is not considered a life when the woman doesn't want it to live? I had no idea life was relative, lol.
    No, it is all about reproductive choice, and the woman should have total control over her reproductive system.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Ah hell, another abortion debate – this one spawned by a news story about a sick twisted bastard murdering newborn babies…

    As I understand it, before a certain arbitrarily determined point in the development of an egg/sperm combo into a fetus, said living (in terms of not inert) object is not considered viable (in terms of being capable of surviving outside the mother?), thus it can be removed without it being called murder by law.
    At least I think that’s how it’s set up.

    Personally, I tend towards support for no abortions being allowed unless it’s a choice of the mother or the child – and even in that case, the mother can make the decision to have the child and die if she chooses to, I suppose…

    I’m thinking more along the lines of “it COULD and most likely, given proper development without issues, WOULD develop into a viable fetus, and further, into a human being – therefore, it should not be aborted.

    But perhaps that’s a BS position, as I can see some few merits in eliminating a pregnancy in the very early stages, depending on situation and such…

    In short…

    I dunno.

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No, it is all about reproductive choice, and the woman should have total control over her reproductive system.
    I see you criticizing evangelicals for their "pro-life rhetoric" and for not having a logical-legal approach or basis for their debates. However you are no different. You are simply spitting out pro-choice rhetoric and carefully choosing your words and dodging my questions about the definition of life and murder so as not to associate abortion with the termination of life and thus acknowledge the hypocrisy of the Unborn Victims of Violence Act and the current legality of abortion. You'd be a great politician. You remind me of Sarah Palin. She dodges questions very slickly so as not to have to acknowledge the obvious immorality of her beliefs. Check this video out starting at 9:00. This is a great example of dodging.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ALsjhDDdaA
    Last edited by Johnny Centrist; 01-19-11 at 07:15 PM.

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    I see you criticizing evangelicals for their "pro-life rhetoric" and for not having a logical-legal approach or basis for their debates. However you are no different. You are simply spitting out pro-choice rhetoric and carefully choosing your words and dodging my questions about the definition of life and murder so as not to associate abortion with the termination of life and thus acknowledge the hypocrisy of the Unborn Victims of Violence Act and the current legality of abortion. You'd be a great politician. You remind me of Sarah Palin. She dodges questions very slickly so as not to have to acknowledge the obvious immorality of her beliefs. Check this video out starting at 8:35. This is a great example of dodging.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ALsjhDDdaA
    I'm not dodging anything, I just see a difference between a woman choosing to abort, and someone else making that choice for her.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I'm not dodging anything, I just see a difference between a woman choosing to abort, and someone else making that choice for her.
    Yes but you cannot or will not acknowledge that either a fetus is a life, or it isn't. It doesn't depend on who terminates it. Either a fetus is not a life which means a male who punches a woman could not be charged with murder, or either it is, which means that women who have abortions done are legally killing fetuses. This isn't complex stuff honey, its basic logic. Until you can at least acknowledge that, you have an incredibly weak debate.

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