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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So Christians don't have freedom of speech?
    You can say we are wrong and destined for hell until your throats hurt, but don't put your religious believes into law for the rest of us to abide by.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    More generic crap. Please refer to my previous response.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    But you said earlier that a fetus is not a life, so how can he be charged with murder?
    Because there is a difference between a woman having control over her reproductive system, and someone else doing it for her. That's why.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaUK View Post
    You can say we are wrong and destined for hell until your throats hurt, but don't put your religious believes into law for the rest of us to abide by.
    Where did I say any one was going to hell? What power do I have to make laws?

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Where did I say any one was going to hell? What power do I have to make laws?
    But you support using your religious beliefs to make laws, and that is un-American.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Because there is a difference between a woman having control over her reproductive system, and someone else doing it for her. That's why.
    The definition of murder is an unlawful killing. Now certainly, there are a few exceptions where people can legally kill, and they are in times of war, self defense, or police officers who kill to protect other people. You can't kill something that isn't living. So by saying that the man should be charged with murder, you are saying he should be convicted of unlawfully killing a fetus. By saying that you are asserting that a fetus is living. Then by saying abortion should be legal, you are saying women should have the legal right to take the lives, or "kill" their fetuses. Would you agree with this?

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    You are once again trying to compare two issues that have nothing to do with each other. The fact that you would even try to use that as an example tells me that you can't see the clear difference between a woman making a choice about her own body and someone assaulting her and thereby killing the fetus.
    Your anger, or your arrogance or your ignorance (I can't decide which one) about this topic is preventing you from seeing the correlation between my points. The abortion debate CENTERS around when a fetus is considered a human being with rights. Every person, including yourself, believes that once a fetus is out of the womb it should be illegal for anyone to terminate it. However some people believe that these laws should apply while the fetus is in the womb and other believe they shouldn't apply. By examining other situations where fetuses are terminated in the womb, we can analyze definitions of "life" and "murder", and try to come to a conclusion of the definition. They are totally related.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    And I gave you an answer. I, like Your Star, am not that familiar with the law system, so I couldn't raelly tell you. I think he should definitely be charged with assault. As for murder, who knows? It would depend on how the justice system would view the issue.
    I'm not asking you what the laws are, I'm asking your opinion on what they should be. If this were a thread about what the laws already are, there would be no thread because roe vs wade is in effect. Instead this about what people think the law should be. So again, do you think the hypothetical male should be charged with murder?

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    But you support using your religious beliefs to make laws, and that is un-American.
    How is that. Killing babies is immoral. Does that have to be because of my religion? It is wrong for a mother to kill her child. You do not have to be Christian to know that

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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    The definition of murder is an unlawful killing. Now certainly, there are a few exceptions where people can legally kill, and they are in times of war, self defense, or police officers who kill to protect other people. You can't kill something that isn't living. So by saying that the man should be charged with murder, you are saying he should be convicted of unlawfully killing a fetus. By saying that you are asserting that a fetus is living. Then by saying abortion should be legal, you are saying women should have the legal right to take the lives, or "kill" their fetuses. Would you agree with this?
    No, I am asserting that a woman should have full control of her reproductive system, and that when someone takes that control away, it should be under the law assumed that the baby was going to be born, and the person who punched her should be charged accordingly.
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    Re: Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    How is that. Killing babies is immoral. Does that have to be because of my religion? It is wrong for a mother to kill her child. You do not have to be Christian to know that
    I was not talking about this positions only.
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