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    Re: G.E. to Share Jet Technology With China in New Joint Venture

    Ultimately, I do not think we have much to fear from China gaining jet engines. If GE will not sell them to them, Russia would eventually anyway. Also, at least by this path we will know what China has in the way of jet propulsion and with their poor standards of quality, I should hope we remain much ahead of whatever they can produce.

    This being said, I do not ever really see the US going to war with China. Perhaps we will enter some sort of Cold War type of tension with them, but not complete war. Further more, China's economy, though it appears solid and on the rise, is in reality very feeble and only maintained through manipulation and the suppression of their currency. I look for a Chinese economic collapse in the near future.

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    Re: G.E. to Share Jet Technology With China in New Joint Venture

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    This being said, I do not ever really see the US going to war with China.
    Why not? We fought with them during the Korean War. That's not that long ago. We've almost butted heads with them on several occasions during the Cold War over issues such as American support for Taiwan and Chinese support for North Vietnam. The country is rapidly industrializing, and, as such, will increasingly compete for resources with Western countries. It's also clear that the PLA has its tentacles into much of the decision making in the country, including what industries to pursue under the nation's industrial policy. It's rapidly modernizing its military, and it has a rising cadre of younger communist bureaucrats who are more nationalistic and antagonistic towards foreign, especially American, interests. There's also been an increase in complaints recently from foreign businesses conducting operations in the country that they're not being dealt with on a fair and equal basis with Chinese firms.

    So I see plenty of reasons to proceed cautiously with the Chinese, and not assume they're not a threat. There are many similarities between China's ascendance today and Japan's during the early part of the last century. Japan went from ally during WW1 to foe during WWII to friend again (after we won, in spite of them being good students in Western military strategy and technology).
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    Re: G.E. to Share Jet Technology With China in New Joint Venture

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Why do you assume we may go to war with them one day? Has China been aggressively doing war games with its client states near the US to send American a message? Has it been taking the anti-US side in any dispute near the US?
    How familiar are you with the doctrine and tactics of the People's Liberation Army?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Why not? We fought with them during the Korean War. That's not that long ago. We've almost butted heads with them on several occasions during the Cold War over issues such as American support for Taiwan and Chinese support for North Vietnam. The country is rapidly industrializing, and, as such, will increasingly compete for resources with Western countries. It's also clear that the PLA has its tentacles into much of the decision making in the country, including what industries to pursue under the nation's industrial policy. It's rapidly modernizing its military, and it has a rising cadre of younger communist bureaucrats who are more nationalistic and antagonistic towards foreign, especially American, interests. There's also been an increase in complaints recently from foreign businesses conducting operations in the country that they're not being dealt with on a fair and equal basis with Chinese firms.

    So I see plenty of reasons to proceed cautiously with the Chinese, and not assume they're not a threat. There are many similarities between China's ascendance today and Japan's during the early part of the last century. Japan went from ally during WW1 to foe during WWII to friend again (after we won, in spite of them being good students in Western military strategy and technology).
    Our conflicts with them occurred as Mao was attempting to bring them to the world stage, and his actions were intended to make the world take notice of China as a real world player. Now we are dealing with a world economy and of course US firms are not going to be treated fairly in respect to state-owned businesses. It is a communist countr for God's sake. Did they not know this when they rushed there to take advantage of the cheap labor?

    In regards to future war, the Chinese own our debt and we are their biggest consumer base. It will serve them none at all to go to war with us. Thus they will posture and threaten. All they really want is respect, and to them the only way to show this is for us to end the selling of arms to Taiwan. If we did so we would find China very cooperative on a number of issues.

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    Re: G.E. to Share Jet Technology With China in New Joint Venture

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Our conflicts with them occurred as Mao was attempting to bring them to the world stage, and his actions were intended to make the world take notice of China as a real world player. Now we are dealing with a world economy and of course US firms are not going to be treated fairly in respect to state-owned businesses. It is a communist countr for God's sake. Did they not know this when they rushed there to take advantage of the cheap labor?
    I don't think Western businesses overall, in their rush to cash in on Chinese markets, fully considered the political risk to their investments. They really need to study Chinese history and take account of the ebb and flow of the nation's attitudes toward foreigners and foreign interests on Chinese soil.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    In regards to future war, the Chinese own our debt and we are their biggest consumer base. It will serve them none at all to go to war with us. Thus they will posture and threaten. All they really want is respect, and to them the only way to show this is for us to end the selling of arms to Taiwan. If we did so we would find China very cooperative on a number of issues.
    The Chinese are diversifying away from U.S. debt and will gradually move to lessen the link between their currency and the dollar. This is because they're losing faith in our ability to maintain the value of the currency and they don't want their inflationary fortunes tied to ours.

    China has codified into its laws a direct statement that if Taiwan moves directly toward independence its military is authorized to use force. Also, China has moved more aggressively to assert its claims in the South China Sea:

    Indonesia warned on Sunday that maritime conflicts in Asia could spiral out of control and threaten regional stability, as Southeast Asian nations sought common ground on the disputed South China Sea.

    Malaysia, Vietnam, the Philippines and China have disputed control of areas such as the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, potentially home to oil reserves and near key shipping lanes. Vietnam has had skirmishes with China over the issue.

    Southeast Asia seeks common ground on sea disputes with China | World | Reuters
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    Re: G.E. to Share Jet Technology With China in New Joint Venture

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    How familiar are you with the doctrine and tactics of the People's Liberation Army?
    How familiar are you with the FA of China?

    China pursues a national defense policy which is purely defensive in nature. China places the protection of national sovereignty, security, territorial integrity, safeguarding of the interests of national development, and the interests of the Chinese people above all else. China endeavors to build a fortified national defense and strong military forces compatible with national security and development interests, and enrich the country and strengthen the military while building a moderately prosperous society in all aspects.

    China’s national defense policy for the new stage in the new century basically includes: upholding national security and unity, and ensuring the interests of national development; achieving the all-round, coordinated and sustainable development of China’s national defense and armed forces; enhancing the performance of the armed forces with informationization as the major measuring criterion; implementing the military strategy of active defense; pursuing a self-defensive nuclear strategy; and fostering a security environment conducive to China’s peaceful development.
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    Re: G.E. to Share Jet Technology With China in New Joint Venture

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    I don't think Western businesses overall, in their rush to cash in on Chinese markets, fully considered the political risk to their investments. They really need to study Chinese history and take account of the ebb and flow of the nation's attitudes toward foreigners and foreign interests on Chinese soil.

    Wars have been fought for less, like desolate, rocky islands noted more for their sheep population than anything else.

    You bring up many good points here, well done. As to your mention of China moving away from US currency, such steps would be taken by any economic concious nation. However, I think once the dollar gains strength and the economy recovers we will see China move back closer to the dollar. China wishes to link their currency with whichever is the strongest so that they may keep their currency low in comparison and thus maintain trade deficits that benefit them greatly.

    In regards to Taiwan, China has become very interwined economically with them and only dispute Taiwanese declaration of independence. If Taiwan were to negotiate backinto good relations with China, I feel that China would treat Taiwan much as it does Hong Kong and the government would be very restrained in exerting influence to insure economic stability.

    The South Seas, you are correct, may very well give rise to the next war for the simple reason of energy. Many speculate that there may be a wealth of natural gas and possibly even oil to be harvested from the South China Sea and if the region were to go to war, energy would indeed be something to fight over.


    The Chinese are diversifying away from U.S. debt and will gradually move to lessen the link between their currency and the dollar. This is because they're losing faith in our ability to maintain the value of the currency and they don't want their inflationary fortunes tied to ours.

    China has codified into its laws a direct statement that if Taiwan moves directly toward independence its military is authorized to use force. Also, China has moved more aggressively to assert its claims in the South China Sea:

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    Re: G.E. to Share Jet Technology With China in New Joint Venture

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    How familiar are you with the FA of China?



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    Re: G.E. to Share Jet Technology With China in New Joint Venture

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    What is the FA of China?
    The foreign policy of China (IMO) is to, in simplest terms, become an Asian powerhouse economically and militarily, but stay in Asia. They are talking with countries like Iran and others in Africa as so they can secure their own energy and raw material needs. Chinese foreign policy is not about usurping America, but working within the established American order.

    China is not a military threat to the US

    China is heavily investing in clean energy, not its military

    China does have some problems which it will need to deal with
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    Re: G.E. to Share Jet Technology With China in New Joint Venture

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    The foreign policy of China (IMO) is to, in simplest terms, become an Asian powerhouse economically and militarily, but stay in Asia. They are talking with countries like Iran and others in Africa as so they can secure their own energy and raw material needs. Chinese foreign policy is not about usurping America, but working within the established American order.

    China is not a military threat to the US

    China is heavily investing in clean energy, not its military

    China does have some problems which it will need to deal with
    Bob Gates was in Beijing last week meeting with Chinese generals. He asked them to establish a military to military relationship with America. They refused. Why do you think the Chinese refused the offer of a relationship with the American military?

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