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    Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

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    Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse
    DUBLIN – A 1997 letter from the Vatican warned Ireland's Catholic bishops not to report all suspected child-abuse cases to police — a disclosure that victims' groups described as "the smoking gun" needed to show that the church enforced a worldwide culture of covering up crimes by pedophile priests.

    The newly revealed letter, obtained by Irish broadcasters RTE and provided to The Associated Press, documents the Vatican's rejection of a 1996 Irish church initiative to begin helping police identify pedophile priests following Ireland's first wave of publicly disclosed lawsuits.

    The letter undermines persistent Vatican claims, particularly when seeking to defend itself in U.S. lawsuits, that Rome never instructed local bishops to withhold evidence or suspicion of crimes from police. It instead emphasizes the church's right to handle all child-abuse allegations and determine punishments in house rather than give that power to civil authorities.

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    Storero wrote that canon law, which required abuse allegations and punishments to be handled within the church, "must be meticulously followed." Any bishops who tried to impose punishments outside the confines of canon law would face the "highly embarrassing" position of having their actions overturned on appeal in Rome, he wrote.

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    Child-abuse activists in Ireland said the 1997 letter demonstrates that the protection of pedophile priests from criminal investigation was not only sanctioned by Vatican leaders but ordered by them.
    The web continues to unravel. How far will the Vatican backpeddle before confessing? Or will it continue its campaign of scapegoating, smokescreening, and lying?
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Here is the letter in question.

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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

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    The web continues to unravel. How far will the Vatican backpeddle before confessing? Or will it continue its campaign of scapegoating, smokescreening, and lying?
    Q. Why was this order made in a letter, and not a phone call?

    A. Because the Pope knows that it's bad manners to talk with your mouth full.

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    Translation: Don't report paedophiles, it's embarrassing.
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Translation: Don't report paedophiles, it's embarrassing.
    Freaking disgusting.

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    Truly disgusting, and evil. I can't even begin to imagine how people who are supposed to dedicate their lives to God can do these horrible atrocities, and cover them up.
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    I'm Catholic and have become disgusted with the that gold ol' boys club a long time ago. However I don't see this letter as clear cut as the rest of you do. It's just not there. And furthermore I can't believe, if what you accuse them of being there is there, they would be stupid enough to put it in writing.

    Sorry this letter doesn't do it for me.

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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    I'm Catholic and have become disgusted with the that gold ol' boys club a long time ago. However I don't see this letter as clear cut as the rest of you do. It's just not there. And furthermore I can't believe, if what you accuse them of being there is there, they would be stupid enough to put it in writing.

    Sorry this letter doesn't do it for me.
    If you read the 4th paragraph, it says. "In particular, the situation of 'mandatory reporting' gives rise to serious reservations of both a moral and canonical nature".

    That to me says "church doctrine is against having to report paedophiles", which is a rather questionable stance.
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    If you read the 4th paragraph, it says. "In particular, the situation of 'mandatory reporting' gives rise to serious reservations of both a moral and canonical nature".

    That to me says "church doctrine is against having to report paedophiles", which is a rather questionable stance.
    Perhaps there is another way to read it. You have to wonder if those "mandatory" reporting requirements conflicted with the sacrament of confession. The sanctity of confession requires that the priest not disclose any information given by the penitent.

    This letter, taken without any additional information, is hardly a smoking gun.
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Perhaps there is another way to read it. You have to wonder if those "mandatory" reporting requirements conflicted with the sacrament of confession. The sanctity of confession requires that the priest not disclose any information given by the penitent.

    This letter, taken without any additional information, is hardly a smoking gun.
    Well here's the report that the letter is responding to: http://www.catholicbishops.ie/images...aframework.pdf

    The madatory reporting does conflict with the sacrament of confession.

    The recommended reporting policy may deter such people from
    coming forward or may be perceived by those who do come
    forward as an insensitive and heavy-handed response by Church
    authorities. This is particularly so where the complaint relates to
    incidents of abuse many years earlier.

    2.2.5 Nonetheless, undertakings of absolute confidentiality should
    not be given but rather the information should be expressly
    received within the terms of this reporting policy and on the
    basis that only those who need to know will be told
    The Irish church was taking that stance that brining a paedophile to justice is more important than confidentiality, which is a stance I agree with.
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