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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    So with that out of the way, I wonder what the "moral and canonical" objections are?
    You should watch the video I linked to. It does a very thorough job of explaining what the letter means in context.

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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    whether "by confession or not" does indeed matter.
    I understand that. But its not as though a majority of these incidents were brought about by confessions. The victims and others who witnessed the criminal activities or had suspicions brought up questions and accusations within the church. The church, as a matter of POLICY, hid the criminal activity from authorities and shuffled priests around to different parishes to save face.

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    By the law of the United States and Ireland the confidentiality of confession is protected. If you disagree with the law, you are entitled to your opinion.
    I do disagree. Religious or not, confessions should not be protected, period. Its absurd that religion supersedes criminal law in all matters except for this special case. The only exception I would grant is to lawyers otherwise they cannot reasonably defend their client.
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

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    Translation: Don't report paedophiles, it's embarrassing.
    Wrong. It is a violation of canon law. If a priest is to be removed from the priesthood, it has to be through canon law, not civil law...

    You obviously didn't read the letter very clearly...
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Well here's the report that the letter is responding to: http://www.catholicbishops.ie/images...aframework.pdf

    The madatory reporting does conflict with the sacrament of confession.



    The Irish church was taking that stance that brining a paedophile to justice is more important than confidentiality, which is a stance I agree with.
    I disagree with that stance. Confession and reconcilation are MANDATORY for Catholics. If one does not go to Confession, he/she violates a basic tenet of the Faith. It has long been regarded as Canon law that anything said in the Confessional is and always shall remain between Confessor and the Believer. Telling civil authorities of anything said in the Confessional is a violation of that and can lead to defrocking of the priest who makes such a report.
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I guess the law is the law unless you're molesting kids. Then, it can be ignored.
    No, but you have to ascertain what is being done and use evidence that comes up OUTSIDE the confessional...
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    I understand that. But its not as though a majority of these incidents were brought about by confessions. The victims and others who witnessed the criminal activities or had suspicions brought up questions and accusations within the church. The church, as a matter of POLICY, hid the criminal activity from authorities and shuffled priests around to different parishes to save face.

    I do disagree. Religious or not, confessions should not be protected, period. Its absurd that religion supersedes criminal law in all matters except for this special case. The only exception I would grant is to lawyers otherwise they cannot reasonably defend their client.
    You do understand that the Church teaches that one MUST go to Confession, MUST! It is a requirement of the Faith and it is through Confession and Reconciliation that one can re-seal his/her relationship with God. Forcing priests to report the contents of Confession to civil law authorities is a grave violation of the faith of the Confessional and a violation of the freedom of religion. If there is evidence of abuse, bring it, but NOT what is said in the Confessional...
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    No, but you have to ascertain what is being done and use evidence that comes up OUTSIDE the confessional...
    I don't expect such devout Catholic like yourself to actually think of children unless they're crying about aborted non-sentient fetuses.
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't expect such devout Catholic like yourself to actually think of children unless they're crying about aborted non-sentient fetuses.
    I don't expect anti-Catholics like you to actually respect the basic tenents of the Faith of more than ONE BILLION people around the world...

    There is a word for people like you, but I would likely get an infraction point if I used it here...
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I don't expect anti-Catholics like you to actually respect the basic tenents of the Faith of more than ONE BILLION people around the world...
    I forgot it was a basic Catholic tenet to protect corrupt priests responsible for the rape of children. My bad! Oh I get it now.. it's okay to ignore the fact that priests are raping kids if it'll save the Catholic religion...

    And Anti-Catholic? My wife is a Catholic. She's just not a blind defender of criminals and rapists. Unlike yourself.

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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Wrong. It is a violation of canon law. If a priest is to be removed from the priesthood, it has to be through canon law, not civil law...

    You obviously didn't read the letter very clearly...
    So the part about mandatory reporting (which doesn't include confession) of paedophiles being immoral, is what? Pixie dust? Or do you think priests should be above the law?
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