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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I read the document myself.
    Congratulations, now please prove your earlier statement.

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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    I posted a link to the document in question. You can read it yourself to get proof of my claim.

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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I posted a link to the document in question. You can read it yourself to get proof of my claim.
    But you are mistaken.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2.2.1
    In all instances where it is known or suspected that a child has been, or is being, sexually abused by a priest or religious the matter should be reported to the civil authorities.
    This is very broad language. I can certainly see how this could conflict with the confidentiality of confession.

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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    5. The recommended reporting policy does not apply to the relationship between penitent and
    confessor; the seal of confession is, of course, inviolable. (Cf. the Code of Canon Law, c. 983.)
    I don't think so.

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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I don't think so.
    My mistake. I retract my previous statement.

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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The Irish clergy recognized the problem and drafted a series of procedures and policies to combat the abuse, which were then sent to the Vatican for approval. They included mandatory reporting to the authorities upon receiving a complaint of abuse from a victim. It even included reminders of the legal rights of accused, policies for handling false accusations, and to avoid giving into hate. Nowhere did it instruct to break confession. The Vatican's response shows they were clearly more motivated by covering up crimes to protect the churches reputation than anything else.

    What makes this so terrible is that there were elements within the Catholic church who tried to do the right thing, but they were overruled by the corruption at the top.
    The voice of reason, this is.

    There is a reason why there are mandatory reporting laws regarding interactions with victims. Those laws are in place to protect victims, and to ensure that they receive the support and assistance that they need, but also to ensure that perpetrators do not commit further crimes.

    This letter directed priests and others to circumvent the law, refuse to report victimization, and in essence---TURNED THEM INTO ACCESSORIES TO THE CRIME.

    This was not about betraying confidences gained in confession. It was about refusing to help victims.

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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You also seem to be misunderstanding. Any mandatory reporting requirement is subject to the confessor's duty of confidentiality. The communication is what is at issue here, not the underlying crime.
    This isn't the issue at all!! The issue is that it is Catholic POLICY to NOT go to the authorities and handle things in their own way of secrecy if a Catholic employee discovers rape or child molestation by another employee (whether by confession or not).
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I don't think so.
    So with that out of the way, I wonder what the "moral and canonical" objections are?
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    This isn't the issue at all!! The issue is that it is Catholic POLICY to NOT go to the authorities and handle things in their own way of secrecy if a Catholic employee discovers rape or child molestation by another employee (whether by confession or not).
    You still seem to be misunderstanding. Let me make it clear for you, whether "by confession or not" does indeed matter. By the law of the United States and Ireland the confidentiality of confession is protected. If you disagree with the law, you are entitled to your opinion.

    However, you are factually incorrect.

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