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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    The Irish church was taking that stance that brining a paedophile to justice is more important than confidentiality, which is a stance I agree with.
    Under US law, priest-penitent communications are protected. The same is true in Ireland.

    Bringing any criminal to justice is important. But the sanctity of the sacraments has to be the first priority.

    You are free to disagree, that is your opinion. But the law is the law.
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    And furthermore I can't believe, if what you accuse them of being there is there, they would be stupid enough to put it in writing.
    Put what in writing? It already is! Multiple attestations speak to this. This is compounded by the he fact that the church CONTINUES to handle things in its own way rather than working with local authorities as a matter of POLICY.

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    The Vatican does advise bishops worldwide to report crimes to police — in a legally nonbinding guide on its website. This recourse is omitted from the official legal advice provided by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and updated last summer.
    The letter, obtained by Irish broadcasters RTE and provided to The Associated Press, documents the Vatican's rejection of an Irish church initiative to begin helping police identify pedophile priests.

    Read more: CBC News - World - Vatican letter on sex abuse from '97 revealed
    CBC News - World - Vatican letter on sex abuse from '97 revealed

    How much evidence do you need? whats next? You've got to be ignorant or sticking your head in the sand to deny the overwhelming evidence against the Vatican's policy of hiding child molesting priests from criminal prosecution.

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Sorry this letter doesn't do it for me.
    What would convince some people (such as you)? If the Pope would come out and say it directly and unambiguously? And i bet even then you could spin it to continue the dance of denial.

    The church has ****ed up. But that is not what is wrong. What is wrong is they CONTINUE in there ways of hiding criminal priests from prosecution. They think themselves above the law and show no signs of fixing the wrongs that have occurred. Just listgen to the Pope's next speech. You'll see a small hint of sorrow and then scapegoating, smokescreening, and diversions about how its the fault of homosexuals, decadent society, pornography, etc.
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Under US law, priest-penitent communications are protected. The same is true in Ireland.

    Bringing any criminal to justice is important. But the sanctity of the sacraments has to be the first priority.

    You are free to disagree, that is your opinion. But the law is the law.
    I guess the law is the law unless you're molesting kids. Then, it can be ignored.
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Under US law, priest-penitent communications are protected. The same is true in Ireland.

    Bringing any criminal to justice is important. But the sanctity of the sacraments has to be the first priority.

    You are free to disagree, that is your opinion. But the law is the law.
    How is a priest ****nig little boys "priest-penitent communication"?
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I guess the law is the law unless you're molesting kids. Then, it can be ignored.
    The law is the law unless you have enough money or power to avoid it. Which is exactly what is occurring here.
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    The Irish clergy recognized the problem and drafted a series of procedures and policies to combat the abuse, which were then sent to the Vatican for approval. They included mandatory reporting to the authorities upon receiving a complaint of abuse from a victim. It even included reminders of the legal rights of accused, policies for handling false accusations, and to avoid giving into hate. Nowhere did it instruct to break confession. The Vatican's response shows they were clearly more motivated by covering up crimes to protect the churches reputation than anything else.

    What makes this so terrible is that there were elements within the Catholic church who tried to do the right thing, but they were overruled by the corruption at the top.

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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I guess the law is the law unless you're molesting kids. Then, it can be ignored.
    You seem to misunderstand. We're not talking about the penitent, we're talking about the confessor. A confessor is bound by confidentiality, it doesn't matter the nature of the sin. Even the worst crimes are protected by priest-penitent confidentiality.

    The law is indeed the law.
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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    How is a priest ****nig little boys "priest-penitent communication"?
    You also seem to be misunderstanding. Any mandatory reporting requirement is subject to the confessor's duty of confidentiality. The communication is what is at issue here, not the underlying crime.

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    Re: Vatican warned Irish bishops not to report abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Nowhere did it instruct to break confession.
    Please prove this.

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