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    Re: China's President Lays Groundwork for Obama Talks

    China wants to be no. 1 in East Asia, Central Asia, the Indian Ocean and the western half of the Pacific Ocean. If it effectively controls the sea lanes from East Africa and the Persian Gulf across the Indian Ocean to the Strait of Malacca and the Westen Pacific Ocean, China will have an enclosed system they will ultimately feel capable of defending. With the Blue Water Navy the Chinese are developing they will be in a position to accomplish their objectives of controling resources and trade routes along the flanks of Asia and Africa.

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    I sorry I thought I was in a serious thread. 28 Trillion in TARP? Contrails off airliners? The Chinese Army being a threat to the United States? People being 'dealt with?' The US dying in relative terms?

    If the Chinese were testing sub launched missiles I think they could have a better place to do it than right off the coast of ****ing california.
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    Re: China's President Lays Groundwork for Obama Talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    China wants to be no. 1 in East Asia, Central Asia, the Indian Ocean and the western half of the Pacific Ocean. If it effectively controls the sea lanes from East Africa and the Persian Gulf across the Indian Ocean to the Strait of Malacca and the Westen Pacific Ocean, China will have an enclosed system they will ultimately feel capable of defending. With the Blue Water Navy the Chinese are developing they will be in a position to accomplish their objectives of controling resources and trade routes along the flanks of Asia and Africa.
    I agree with your assessment of their goals. However I think you give too much credit to their navy. China doesn't have the naval technology to build those kind of ships, they also lack any kind of naval doctrine and tradition, since their nation hasn't had a functioning blue water navy in literally hundreds of years. They also lack ports of call that the US has secured through its ownership of islands and treaties throughout the world. And all the while the United States is growing forward with its Navy, China may never seriously catch up.

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    Re: China's President Lays Groundwork for Obama Talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I agree with your assessment of their goals. However I think you give too much credit to their navy. China doesn't have the naval technology to build those kind of ships, they also lack any kind of naval doctrine and tradition, since their nation hasn't had a functioning blue water navy in literally hundreds of years. They also lack ports of call that the US has secured through its ownership of islands and treaties throughout the world. And all the while the United States is growing forward with its Navy, China may never seriously catch up.
    Isn't this about economics?

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    Re: China's President Lays Groundwork for Obama Talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I sorry I thought I was in a serious thread. 28 Trillion in TARP?
    Total Bailout = $23.7 TRILLION
    23.7 trillion... oops...

    Contrails off airliners?
    Ya, that was an airliner... come on...

    The Chinese Army being a threat to the United States?
    The US shoots missiles just off the Chinese shore on, what is probably, a much more common basis then either of us would know... and when you saw what was going on between US and China that week.

    People being 'dealt with?'
    In China... YES... The Chinese government runs slave camps for the falun gong, has organ harvesting programs admitted to, etc... so, yes, if the Chinese people get out of line of their 'role' in society... they will get smacked down.

    The US dying in relative terms?
    Ya... Chinese economy is exploding, the US had 50+ consecutive months of lower housing values... plus countless other statistics I could point you towards that shows just how it has become mathematically impossible for americans to repay the debt... and that's even assuming a 100% tax rate.

    If the Chinese were testing sub launched missiles I think they could have a better place to do it than right off the coast of ****ing california.
    Unless they wanted to flex their muscle and show that they could get past defenses, launch a missile and then gauge the response time of the US military.

    What do you think the Chinese reaction would be to finding out that all the paper they have is only worth the paper it's written on??

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    Re: China's President Lays Groundwork for Obama Talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I agree with your assessment of their goals. However I think you give too much credit to their navy. China doesn't have the naval technology to build those kind of ships, they also lack any kind of naval doctrine and tradition, since their nation hasn't had a functioning blue water navy in literally hundreds of years. They also lack ports of call that the US has secured through its ownership of islands and treaties throughout the world. And all the while the United States is growing forward with its Navy, China may never seriously catch up.
    China began building the basis for a blue water navy in the eighties. They formed objectives, gained experience, and became skilled in a number of important maritime skills. They have now or are in development of a series of intermediate range ballistic missiles bases that can reign hell down on American naval bases and ships in Guam, Japan, and on Taiwanese forces at bases in Taiwan.

    The Chinese are throwing most of their defense dollars into their navy and air force for a specific head to head high intensity fight with the USN in cyberspace, low earth orbit, the air, sea surface, and underwater. They plan a short sharp war of attrition. After the year 2020 America wouldn't be able to put enough of its own assets on site within a reasonable time to prevent a successful Chinese invasion and occupation of Taiwan.

    America would have two choices. Accept defeat or escalate and broaden the war.

    Checkout World Military Strength Ranking to find out more about China's missiles, bases, ships, subs, aircraft and more. It's generally believed that it takes two generations of men and equipment to build a body of experiece necessary to operate a blue water navy.

    China's challenge to the USN will be the greatest conventional test it has experienced in the Pacific Ocean since V-J Day.
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    Re: China's President Lays Groundwork for Obama Talks

    You don't know what Falun Gong is do you?

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    Re: China's President Lays Groundwork for Obama Talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You don't know what Falun Gong is do you?
    Yes. The creation and official treatment of Falun Gong say much about the spiritual emptiness of the Chinese people, and the authoritarian nature of the regime.

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    Re: China's President Lays Groundwork for Obama Talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Yes. The creation and official treatment of Falun Gong say much about the spiritual emptiness of the Chinese people, and the authoritarian nature of the regime.
    I was talking to Bman, you're post got in front of mine. But yes its treatment does speak to the nature of the Chinese government, but I would hardly call the Chinese people spiritually empty.

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    Re: China's President Lays Groundwork for Obama Talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I was talking to Bman, you're post got in front of mine. But yes its treatment does speak to the nature of the Chinese government, but I would hardly call the Chinese people spiritually empty.
    Ya, it's a non-violent religious sect, whose followers get sent to work camps until their internal organs can be extracted while they are still alive, and be sold to others for profits... do I REALLY NEED to know much more about them then that?

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