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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That's not the judgment I'm making, but you have a very relaxed view of southern society's complicity in the institution of slavery.
    That's because Southern society, as a whole, wasn't as complicit in the institution of slavery as you Leftists want to make out.

    But, of course, that's not the version of history that you want everyone to except.

    So far, we have one poster claiming that nearly half of the delegates at the 1787 Constitutional Convention were slave owners. Untrue.

    And another poster saying that 25% of all whites in the south owned slaves. Again, untrue.

    Where do the lies end?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's because Southern society, as a whole, wasn't as complicit in the institution of slavery as you Leftists want to make out.

    But, of course, that's not the version of history that you want everyone to except.

    So far, we have one poster claiming that nearly half of the delegates at the 1787 Constitutional Convention were slave owners. Untrue.

    And another poster saying that 25% of all whites in the south owned slaves. Again, untrue.

    Where do the lies end?
    Complicity in slavery is not limited to slave ownership when an entire economy + culture is built around it.

    EDIT:

    Mistaking southern whites for southern farmers isn't much of a leap in a casual debate when the subject is an agriculture-focused society.
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Complicity in slavery is not limited to slave ownership when an entire economy + culture is built around it.
    So, slavery is a cultural thing, now?

    Like I said, when the dust settles, it's the only argument that ya'll have.

    How 'bout you go into detail on how the South's culture ane economy was built totally around slavery. Can't wait hear this.
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Let us not forget that every world power in world history to that point was built on the backs of oppression and slavery. The United States was no different.

    When you have no established currency other than labor, how do you pay that labor? You force it, as ugly as that it is. And lest we forget, the African "businessmen" who sold these slaves were black men themselves, and the practice still carries on in Africa to this day.

    History didn't begin the day we were born, unlike liberals tend to think. America isn't the bastion of slavery, it was one of hundreds of civilizations that was built with slavery as a component.
    I'm sorry but if you think the lack of currency is the cause of slavery in world history, you need a serious injection of reality. Currency in one form or another has existed as long as human civilization. And the United States, and ever other slave holding nation, had a currency during the times of their enslavement of other peoples.

    Also ask you're how does one hold an auction, without a currency?

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    So, slavery is a cultural thing, now?

    Like I said, when the dust settles, it's the only argument that ya'll have.

    How 'bout you go into detail on how the South's culture ane economy was built totally around slavery. Can't wait hear this.
    Africans exemplified a kind of bogeymen in the Western consciousness. The theory was that the humid and tangled environment they developed in impaired their physiology to the point they were unable to advance beyond the state of primitive man; people believed they had a very robust cunning (not quite rationality) and the unrestrained desires of animals. This lead people to believe they were predisposed dysfunctional sociopaths, and that freeing them would lead to the disintegration of society (in essence, roving bands of free blacks would kill the white men and children and rape the white women, reducing society to a perpetual state of conflict).

    When the question of slavery was raised in the religious, artistic, scientific and political discussions, the consensus was that while it would have been ideal to have left Africans in Africa, it was in the best interest of both races for slavery to continue, because Africans were capable of rational and morally responsible action. The African had a very negative presence in Southern culture.

    Economically? Well, for example, the labor provided by slave-owning plantations was central to attracting the imports southern society as a whole required to thrive.
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Africans exemplified a kind of bogeymen in the Western consciousness. The theory was that the humid and tangled environment they developed in impaired their physiology to the point they were unable to advance beyond the state of primitive man; people believed they had a very robust cunning (not quite rationality) and the unrestrained desires of animals. This lead people to believe they were predisposed dysfunctional sociopaths, and that freeing them would lead to the disintegration of society (in essence, roving bands of free blacks would kill the white men and children and rape the white women, reducing society to a perpetual state of conflict).

    When the question of slavery was raised in the religious, artistic, scientific and political discussions, the consensus was that while it would have been ideal to have left Africans in Africa, it was in the best interest of both races for slavery to continue, because Africans were capable of rational and morally responsible action. The African had a very negative presence in Southern culture.

    Economically? Well, for example, the labor provided by slave-owning plantations was central to attracting the imports southern society as a whole required to thrive.
    Translation?: "All white folks are racists an skeered-uh-da-black man".

    I stopped reading your rediculous retort after the first sentence.
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Translation?: "All white folks are racists an skeered-uh-da-black man".

    I stopped reading your rediculous retort after the first sentence.
    That's not how debates are supposed to work, but at least it saves me the trouble of another response.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 01-18-11 at 09:42 PM.
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That's not how debates are supposed to work, but at least it saves me the trouble of another response.
    Well, to begin with, responses have to make at least a little bit of sense and not be filled with dumbass talking points.

    At the very least, you could post something--anything--to support your post. Without that, it's nothing but your own warped rambling about nothing. I bet Jared Loughner would love to have a debate with you.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    But didn't those dirty slave owning bastards in the USA and/or their forebearers come from UK, France, and other EU countries?

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    Oh come on now... let's not ruin a good old 'America hating' post.
    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice....shame on me.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Quite correct.

    Lincoln was a Republican and his opponents were Democrats.
    People tend to forget, or at least ignore, that back then Republicans were liberals and Democrats were conservatives. Southern opponents of Lincoln constantly accused him of being a liberal. It wasn't until the mid 20th century that a socially liberal faction of the Democratic party really took hold, and this caused all of the conservative-Jim Crow Democratic representatives of Southern states to literally walk out of a DNC after it was declared that civil rights would be a platform of the Democratic Party. They then formed the States Rights Democratic Party. This was basically another secession solely done out of racist motivations, except this time it was only a political secession. The States Rights Democratic Party had no economic policy whatsoever and was only concerned with segregation and maintaining Jim Crow laws. When the party failed, Republicans saw an opportunity to get Southern White votes who were disgruntled with the Democratic Party for embracing civil rights. Republicans began heavily promoting "States Rights" on their campaign trail, which really was code word for "If we are in office, we will let you decide what rights blacks have or won't have in your states". They also adopted very socially conservative and religious issues on their platforms such as pro-life, gun rights, prayer in schools, etc. This is all known as the Southern Strategy. In response Southerners adopted the economic policies of the Republican party which really never benefited them historically, being that Southerners are traditionally labor, blue collar, military and tradesmen type workers; not bankers and wall street execs.

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