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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Show us what percentage of the Founders owned slaves. Thanks in advance.
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    Of the 55 Convention delegates, about 25 owned slaves.
    25/55 x 100 = 45%

    Are you going to argue what a 'large percentage' is now? Better yet, are you going to argue that Italy didn't have any concentration camps and nobody died as a result of fascism?
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It was about how much political power the slave states would have. The south wanted to count slaves as whole people, for the purposes of congressional representation. This way, they'd get more seats in congress. The north wanted slaves to count as zero people, so that the slave states would have less congressional representation. Both sides tried to rationalize it, but really it was just about power. End result? "Well, let's just split the difference."

    Ok, so the free north, (mostly filled with conservatives at the time) were against slavery, and the south, argued before being politically liberal, wanted slavery. So what has really changed? Today's liberal want's to keep the AA community under their boot as well.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
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    25/55 x 100 = 45%

    Are you going to argue what a 'large percentage' is now? Better yet, are you going to argue that Italy didn't have any concentration camps and nobody died as a result of fascism?
    Actually, there were only 13 slave owners at the Constitutional Convention. They were: Bassett, Blair, Blount, Butler, Carroll, Jenifer, Jefferson, Mason, Charles Pinckney, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Rutledge, Spaight, and Washington. 15, if you include Madison and Franklin, who later freed their slaves.

    But, hey, let's don't let facts get in our way.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so the free north, (mostly filled with conservatives at the time) were against slavery, and the south, argued before being politically liberal, wanted slavery. So what has really changed? Today's liberal want's to keep the AA community under their boot as well.

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    Quite correct.

    Lincoln was a Republican and his opponents were Democrats.

    That Democrat tradition carried right through to George Wallace and Robert Byrd, and yet they claim to represent the AA.

    Amazingly, they pulled it off too.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Well it's definitely a sensitive subject.

    Remember the school teacher who was suspended (maybe eventually fired) because she reenacted the slave-trade with her black students?
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well it's definitely a sensitive subject.

    Remember the school teacher who was suspended (maybe eventually fired) because she reenacted the slave-trade with her black students?
    Yeah, God forbid she actually teach them any history in her history class.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    any number to back up your biased opinion? I got my numbers from the 1850 census. where did you get yours? your ass?

    most non-slave owners were poor people who didn't give a **** about slavery. they were just trying to keep their families from starving.
    I was wrong. It was 25% of white farmers.

    You have a pretty sympathetic opinion. How did the Klu Klux Klan, with its broad array of membership in all rungs of society, stop people's families from starving?

    Saying that the majority of southern whites did not benefit economically from slavery is one thing (although there are ways of challenging that assertion, since slavery figured heavily into their economy). They definitely had cultural and social investments in slavery as an institution.

    But, hey, let's don't let facts get in our way.
    A fact is only as good as its contribution to truth. The premises you are trying to assert have no more reality than your opponent's.
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I was wrong. It was 25% of white farmers.

    You have a pretty sympathetic opinion. How did the Klu Klux Klan, with its broad array of membership in all rungs of society, stop people's families from starving?
    just can't let go of the "all white people are racists" mantra can you?
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    just can't let go of the "all white people are racists" mantra can you?
    Because, at the end of the day the, "yooz-a-white, bigot/racist/homophobe/sexist", is the only argument that Libbos really have.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    just can't let go of the "all white people are racists" mantra can you?
    That's not the judgment I'm making, but you have a very relaxed view of southern society's complicity in the institution of slavery.
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