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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    the actual % of the population that were slave owners was really small. the libs and apologists would like you to believe that every white person in the south was a brutal tyrant that owned hundreds of slaves. It just isn't true.



    less than 5% of southern whites owned slaves and yet the apologists want to blame every white alive today for slavery. and then they wonder why racism still exists.
    That says more about the colonial South's oligarchical tendencies than their moral virtues, although on the side I doubt the number is statically correct as by the time of the Civil War 1/4 Southern whites owned slaves.

    Anyway, even non-slave owners were complicit in slavery and discrimination against blacks by either being involved in the business somehow or by their participation in policies that brought the hammer down on freedom of movement for slaves and turned the southern states into armed camps against slave rebellion.
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That says more about the South's oligarchical tendencies than their moral virtues.
    Aw BS! you are some centrist there MG.


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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That says more about the colonial South's oligarchical tendencies than their moral virtues, although on the side I doubt the number is statically correct as by the time of the Civil War 1/4 Southern whites owned slaves.

    Anyway, even non-slave owners were complicit in slavery and discrimination against blacks by either being involved in the business somehow or by their involvement in policies that brought the hammer down on freedom of movement for slaves and turned the southern states into armed camps against slave rebellion.

    any number to back up your biased opinion? I got my numbers from the 1850 census. where did you get yours? your ass?

    most non-slave owners were poor people who didn't give a **** about slavery. they were just trying to keep their families from starving.
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, those who don't remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.
    That quote is usually used to lend an insightful and thoughtful aspect to those who use it, in order to flatter themselves, but in fact it is gibberish.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

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    While I agree with your assessment for the most part, I will point out that America's relationship with slavery was much more intimate. In 1802 and 1803 respectively, France and Britain both outlawed slavery, and life went on -- former slaves in the UK and France were, while not treated like equal citizens for quite a while,
    In fact the sight of any Black person in Britain, up to the middle of the last century, was a rarity. Until a little over a generation ago Black immigration was discouraged or illegal and Blacks were once simply sent elsewhere, expelled from Britain.

    Neither the French or the British have their hands clean, or are in any position to lecture Americans about their past. This game of oneupmanship being played by the Europeans is one they will lose should they ever want to get serious about it.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Neither the French or the British have their hands clean, or are in any position to lecture Americans about their past. This game of oneupmanship being played by the Europeans is one they will lose should they ever want to get serious about it.
    just one more reason we should've let Hitler kick their ungrateful arses.
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    most non-slave owners were poor people who didn't give a **** about slavery. they were just trying to keep their families from starving.
    I agree with this, Oscar.

    But I'm a bit surprised you think this way based on comments I've seen from you regarding other people in a similar position who exist in teh world today. Do you not think that there is some complicity form these non-slave owners for not "standing up" to their slave owning, extremist bretheren?
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I agree with this, Oscar.

    But I'm a bit surprised you think this way based on comments I've seen from you regarding other people in a similar position who exist in teh world today. Do you not think that there is some complicity form these non-slave owners for not "standing up" to their slave owning, extremist bretheren?
    sure, plenty of blame to go around for EVERYBODY.
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    sure, plenty of blame to go around for EVERYBODY.
    Fair enough. My mistake.
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please tell us what the 3/5 clause was all about then, if you would.


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    It was about how much political power the slave states would have. The south wanted to count slaves as whole people, for the purposes of congressional representation. This way, they'd get more seats in congress. The north wanted slaves to count as zero people, so that the slave states would have less congressional representation. Both sides tried to rationalize it, but really it was just about power. End result? "Well, let's just split the difference."
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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