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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    But didn't those dirty slave owning bastards in the USA and/or their forebearers come from UK, France, and other EU countries?

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    Well, certainly (for the most part). But that's not to say their culture remained unchanged, is it?

    Is American culture today the same as British, Irish, Mexican or German culture? Certainly not, but that's where the vast majority of Americans descend from.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... and then rabid Glenn Beck supporters want us to believe that the Founding Fathers, a large percentage of whom owned slaves, were thinking about the humanity of these people when coming up with the 3/5ths compromise.
    Show us what percentage of the Founders owned slaves. Thanks in advance.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    And those who live in the past are doomed to stagnation, derision and bitterness.
    And, those who don't remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... and then rabid Glenn Beck supporters want us to believe that the Founding Fathers, a large percentage of whom owned slaves, were thinking about the humanity of these people when coming up with the 3/5ths compromise.
    The northerners wanted the 3/5ths compromise, not the southerners.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    While I agree with your assessment for the most part, I will point out that America's relationship with slavery was much more intimate. In 1802 and 1803 respectively, France and Britain both outlawed slavery, and life went on -- former slaves in the UK and France were, while not treated like equal citizens for quite a while, allowed the basic privileges of man, and allowed work. In the States, however, it took you another half a century to outlaw -- even beating out Russia, which outlawed it (serfdom in their case) a year earlier than the States. And then, you fought the bloodiest war in your history because half of you wanted to continue.

    So it's not quite right to say "America was just one slaveholding nation among many, no different from any other."
    America was a slave-owning country for a far shorter time than France and Britain. Once an economy is established, slavery is no longer as "needed" since their is a currency to trade other than labor.

    America had slaves for a couple hundred years. Britain and France had them for far longer.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Show us what percentage of the Founders owned slaves. Thanks in advance.
    the actual % of the population that were slave owners was really small. the libs and apologists would like you to believe that every white person in the south was a brutal tyrant that owned hundreds of slaves. It just isn't true.

    The 1850 census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).
    less than 5% of southern whites owned slaves and yet the apologists want to blame every white alive today for slavery. and then they wonder why racism still exists.
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... and then rabid Glenn Beck supporters want us to believe that the Founding Fathers, a large percentage of whom owned slaves, were thinking about the humanity of these people when coming up with the 3/5ths compromise.
    Both sides are guilty of revisionist history when it comes to this. There are those who like to make it out that the north was kind and benevolent, thinking of the poor inhumanity of the salves, and forcing the 3/5ths compromise to happen to keep them from not being countered at all. The other side makes it out to be that the south was actually the ones pushing for the counting of slaves as a full person and the evil northerners that were just greedily thinking of their own interest.

    In reality, the north and the south by and large at that time didn't give a **** about the slaves. The South wanted them counted as a whole person, not because they were admitting their humanity or their status as equals, but because it would help give them more voting power. Likewies, the North wasn't arguing that they SHOULDN'T be counted because they hated slaves, but because they cared about their own power and counting slaves would reduce it.

    The 3/5th's compromise had nothing to do with either side giving a damn about the slaves, but had to do with the South thinking it at least got something to bolster their political power and the north thinking they at least limited the political power the south would get. Whether or not it humanized or dehumanized the slaves was not of great interest in a large sense to either side, despite what both sides try to depict.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, those who don't remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.
    Remembering the past and living in the past are two different things.

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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Remembering the past and living in the past are two different things.
    How am I living in the past? You seem to suggest it.
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    Re: Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... and then rabid Glenn Beck supporters want us to believe that the Founding Fathers, a large percentage of whom owned slaves, were thinking about the humanity of these people when coming up with the 3/5ths compromise.

    Oh please tell us what the 3/5 clause was all about then, if you would.


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