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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Oh ok...so his beliefs change when he walks into curch?
    You said he was in a church, he wasn't. Saying something from the podium at a Manhattan fundraiser (an appropriate place for socialist rhetoric, I think) is not the same as saying something from the pulpit. Wright's political views are his own, and they are not representative of Liberation Theology. Rev. Wright acknowledges as much by leaving his socialistic politics at the podium and not bringing them into the church. Liberation Theology, once again, is not socialism.
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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    No, 12,000 is not a low number for a population of 300 million. It is in fact the highest rate on the planet, and it's climbing, whatever the rates of gun sales are. The UK has a population of 65-70 million, and there were 68 violent gun crimes last year. The UK's population is not 1/176 of America's -- in fact, it's about 1/4 of America's. American gun crime rates, however, are 176x that of the UK's, as well as being, as I said, the highest in the world.

    Any way you spin it, 12,000 is a huge number for a country that claims to be at peace -- less than half of that have been killed in Iraq, or Afghanistan. Your country has a severe, debilitating problem with gun crime and gun control, and I should think that last week's Arizona shooting ought show you, along with massacres like Virginia Tech, Columbine, and the bi-monthly news stories about shootings at the mall, that it's not contained to the Mediaeval-esque ghettoes of your major cities.

    I can not begin to comprehend how this fails to resonate with you -- it's as though you're holding on to your guns now out of sheer stubornness, solely because it has become a point on contension between your party and the opposition, and you've the overwhelming fear of the "other side" built into you from living too long in your fear-mongering country -- which, in turn, leads people to buy more and more weapons. It's a bloody vicious cycle.


    Also, the link still ain't workin', mate.
    What is the over all violent crime rate in the UK?
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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You said he was in a church, he wasn't. Saying something from the podium at a Manhattan fundraiser (an appropriate place for socialist rhetoric, I think) is not the same as saying something from the pulpit. Wright's political views are his own, and they are not representative of Liberation Theology. Rev. Wright acknowledges as much by leaving his socialistic politics at the podium and not bringing them into the church. Liberation Theology, once again, is not socialism.
    He was the clergy of that church. Do you honestly think he didn't make his personal views on politics known? Because he did.



    That video isn't about socialism...but it does show that he brings his politics into the church.
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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Oh ok, if the politician says so I'll believe him




    Do you really want me to post videos of Obama espousing socialist policies? Did you forget the "Joe the Plumber" incident? Did you forget the comment about how to get to socialized medicine? Did you forget his comments in his book about how business is the enemy of his world? Come on now, don't be so blindly ignorant.



    You do understand that I am basing my logic off of actual statements and behavior and you are basing your "logic" off of racist (yes...you are a racist) assumptions.

    Do you even see how you are racist? Where did I say I hate Obama? I dislike his policies, but that is because we are ideologically polar opposites and has nothing to do with his race. I dislike Pelosi's policies and Reed's policies equally. By your incredibly stupid logic (I use that term very loosely because I believe there is very little brain power behind anything you just posted) I hate women and white people too. Let's tack on some more...I don't like the policies of Sotomayor so I must hate Latinos too. I'm not a big fan of the EU and UN so I must hate all the people of all the countries over seas as well.

    Now, I'm sick of defending myself from accusations of ignorant racist liberals like your self. If you are too stupid to see your own bigotry, that is not my fault.

    No, sir. By my logic, you're a racist for proscribing Obama to a militant racist group and ideology, because of his political leaning. Therein lies the difference -- and it is a marked one, I assure you.

    Now, as for the socialist bit -- I realise that someone as ingrained with conservative values as yourself won't ever admit to such a thing, but (and here comes the sun), "Socialism isn't evil".

    Putting aside your American knee-jerk mouth-foaming reaction to the word 'socialism', I'll point out that one can espouse socialist ideas, while not being a socialist, just the same as I, a socialist, can espouse some conservative values, while not being a conservative.

    If you wish to label the man a socialist (which I might point out is something we could only wish for), you must look at the policies he's implemented, and those he's failed to implement. He has implemented some socialist policies (albeit badly, unfortunately), and many more liberal democratic policies, along with acquiescing to some conservative policies. To me, that would place him squarely in the liberal democrat (or just Democrat, in the States) camp, while still allowing for non-partisan (or bi-partisan, if there're only two parties) co-operation and the fair appraisal of each policy, based on how it would affect the nation, not his party's ideological stance on it.

    Labelling him a socialist any further would be turning a blind eye to all the non-socialist policies he's passed through, and all the socialist policies that've failed to pass -- thus making you, as I said, ignorant.

    As well, the blanket claim that, as a politician, Obama MUST be lying is laughable. Do politicians lie? Of course. Does everything they say necessarily have to be a lie? No, of course not. The likelihood of him lying about his political leanings to become some sort of socialist sleeper-cell and turn the USA into the USSA is absolutely stupid. If he says he's not a socialist, he's not a socialist. If he says he IS a socialist, then he's probably a socialist. You didn't start calling him a neo-con when he refused to shut down Gitmo, did you?

    You're a fearmonger, and you fall prey to your own fearful ramblings.

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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    ...you're a racist...
    Do you want to walk back your accusation of racism while you still have a chance to do so?

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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Do you want to walk back your accusation of racism while you still have a chance to do so?
    No. Of course not. I explained, in detail, above, why I think he's a racist. Why would I go back on that?

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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    He was the clergy of that church. Do you honestly think he didn't make his personal views on politics known? Because he did.
    That has nothing to do with what we are discussion. I don't really care what Obama knew about Rev. Wright's politics. Personally, I think it speaks to a weakness of Obama's character that he disowned a friend of so many years for political reasons, but again, it's irrelevant to the point I am making in this thread, which is that: Liberation Theology is not socialism.

    Liberation Theology is a laudable and very Christian theology that emphasizes service to the poor. It's the kind of theology Christ Himself had.

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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    No. Of course not. I explained, in detail, above, why I think he's a racist. Why would I go back on that?
    Why? To avoid violating the terms of service.

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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    That, my friend, is called logic. Try it some time.
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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Why? To avoid violating the terms of service.
    It isn't against the rules of DP to be a racist, is it -- only to make derogatory racial comments. Thus, calling someone a racist, with good evidence, isn't an insult, but rather a labelling, and, I think, allowed. But I could be wrong.

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