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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    The proposed regulation is obviously aimed at the drug war that is raging just across our southern border, and threatening to spill over to our side. It probably won't be effective, even if it passes, but that must be the rationale behind it. The most likely effect of proposing such a regulation, whether or not it passes, will be to increase arms sales as the rumors once again begin to fly about Obama sending his minions house to house collecting guns prior to establishing a dictatorship.
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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    It is reasonable, and not racist, to believe that an individual that is a member of a church that preaches black liberation and socialism also believes in black liberation and socialism.
    He has publicly stated he is neither, nor does he continue to attend that church, and he has publicly denounced the Reverend.

    Faced with this information, you've got a choice: Admit your fault, or fall further into conspiracy by now heaping on top of "Black Liberation Theorist" "Un-American" and "Socialist" the moniker of "Public Liar" about his past and present motives, and, based on the paltry evidence you've provided, that's far too much of a leap.

    So, then, as I can't reasonably say that your assumptions about Obama are plausible, I turn to the other possible defective link in the chain -- you. I look at you, and I see you're "very conservative", and from Texas, and so, correct me if I've assumed wrong, also white.

    Thus, I can reasonably surmise that, as a white conservative, you're very much opposed to a liberal black man holding power over you. Hence, you label him with a bunch of ridiculous conspiratiorial terms, in order to justify your hatred.


    That, my friend, is called logic. Try it some time.

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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    You can do as many NRA studies as you want, mate (and there are, by the way, plentiful studies saying the direct opposite -- in fact, a supermajority of studies claim that more guns = more gun violence), but you can't get around the fact that there were ~12,000 gun crimes committed in the US last year, and there were 68 in the UK.
    Those stats did not come from the NRA, they were from the FBI. Yes, there are lots more guns in the US than there is in the UK so there will be more "gun crime" (although, given the population of the US, 12000 is a very low number). That's not the question though. If guns equal crime then general crime rates should go up if gun ownership goes up. That was not the case.


    By the way, I'd be happy to link the studies for you, if you're willing to have a debate on the subject.
    I'll look at anything you link.


    As well, your link was fake. Check it.
    What's weird is that I have a window open that shows the entire linked story yet the link doesn't work when I click it here. I'll try again;

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society...e-report-shows.
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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Those stats did not come from the NRA, they were from the FBI. Yes, there are lots more guns in the US than there is in the UK so there will be more "gun crime" (although, given the population of the US, 12000 is a very low number). That's not the question though. If guns equal crime then general crime rates should go up if gun ownership goes up. That was not the case.


    I'll look at anything you link.


    What's weird is that I have a window open that shows the entire linked story yet the link doesn't work when I click it here. I'll try again;

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society...e-report-shows.
    The CSM link still does not work.
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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    The CSM link still does not work.
    You're right, sorry, I don't know why. I could copy/paste the whole story but I think that's against the rules.
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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Those stats did not come from the NRA, they were from the FBI. Yes, there are lots more guns in the US than there is in the UK so there will be more "gun crime" (although, given the population of the US, 12000 is a very low number). That's not the question though. If guns equal crime then general crime rates should go up if gun ownership goes up. That was not the case.


    I'll look at anything you link.


    What's weird is that I have a window open that shows the entire linked story yet the link doesn't work when I click it here. I'll try again;

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society...e-report-shows.


    No, 12,000 is not a low number for a population of 300 million. It is in fact the highest rate on the planet, and it's climbing, whatever the rates of gun sales are. The UK has a population of 65-70 million, and there were 68 violent gun crimes last year. The UK's population is not 1/176 of America's -- in fact, it's about 1/4 of America's. American gun crime rates, however, are 176x that of the UK's, as well as being, as I said, the highest in the world.

    Any way you spin it, 12,000 is a huge number for a country that claims to be at peace -- less than half of that have been killed in Iraq, or Afghanistan. Your country has a severe, debilitating problem with gun crime and gun control, and I should think that last week's Arizona shooting ought show you, along with massacres like Virginia Tech, Columbine, and the bi-monthly news stories about shootings at the mall, that it's not contained to the Mediaeval-esque ghettoes of your major cities.

    I can not begin to comprehend how this fails to resonate with you -- it's as though you're holding on to your guns now out of sheer stubornness, solely because it has become a point on contension between your party and the opposition, and you've the overwhelming fear of the "other side" built into you from living too long in your fear-mongering country -- which, in turn, leads people to buy more and more weapons. It's a bloody vicious cycle.


    Also, the link still ain't workin', mate.
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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You're right, sorry, I don't know why. I could copy/paste the whole story but I think that's against the rules.
    This should work:

    More guns equal more crime? Not in 2009, FBI crime report shows. - CSMonitor.com

    The others didn't work because the URL has a period at the end of it, and the forum automatically doesn't include that in the code.

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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    He has publicly stated he is neither, nor does he continue to attend that church, and he has publicly denounced the Reverend.
    Oh ok, if the politician says so I'll believe him


    Faced with this information, you've got a choice: Admit your fault, or fall further into conspiracy by now heaping on top of "Black Liberation Theorist" "Un-American" and "Socialist" the moniker of "Public Liar" about his past and present motives, and, based on the paltry evidence you've provided, that's far too much of a leap.
    Do you really want me to post videos of Obama espousing socialist policies? Did you forget the "Joe the Plumber" incident? Did you forget the comment about how to get to socialized medicine? Did you forget his comments in his book about how business is the enemy of his world? Come on now, don't be so blindly ignorant.

    So, then, as I can't reasonably say that your assumptions about Obama are plausible, I turn to the other possible defective link in the chain -- you. I look at you, and I see you're "very conservative", and from Texas, and so, correct me if I've assumed wrong, also white.

    Thus, I can reasonably surmise that, as a white conservative, you're very much opposed to a liberal black man holding power over you. Hence, you label him with a bunch of ridiculous conspiratiorial terms, in order to justify your hatred.


    That, my friend, is called logic. Try it some time.
    You do understand that I am basing my logic off of actual statements and behavior and you are basing your "logic" off of racist (yes...you are a racist) assumptions.

    Do you even see how you are racist? Where did I say I hate Obama? I dislike his policies, but that is because we are ideologically polar opposites and has nothing to do with his race. I dislike Pelosi's policies and Reed's policies equally. By your incredibly stupid logic (I use that term very loosely because I believe there is very little brain power behind anything you just posted) I hate women and white people too. Let's tack on some more...I don't like the policies of Sotomayor so I must hate Latinos too. I'm not a big fan of the EU and UN so I must hate all the people of all the countries over seas as well.

    Now, I'm sick of defending myself from accusations of ignorant racist liberals like your self. If you are too stupid to see your own bigotry, that is not my fault.
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    Re: Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bip

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    He's not in a church in that video clip, he is speaking at an event for the New York Society for Ethical Culture. So my point still stands, I have yet to see any evidence that there is any factual basis for this conflation of Liberation Theology and socialism. Rev. Wright apparently is a socialist, but that does not mean Liberation Theology is inherently socialistic.
    Oh ok...so his beliefs change when he walks into curch?
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