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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    We shouldnít over react here.


    Itís not like the feds allow dead people and their pets to register to vote. Secrete ballots are clumsy and subject to employer intimidation. If an employee fears for his life because a couple union thugs have him backed into a corner with a clipboard shoved into his face, he can tell them to kiss it where the sun donít shine and nothing will happen to him.

    The feds will make sure every cartoon character, personal pet and dead person who voted isnít disenfranchised but those evil employers who have the audacity to expect a certain level of production in return for a certain level of pay, they will probably spike the koolaid and rig the vote right under the NLRBís noses and people will either find themselves to be payed slaves or unpaid civil rights fighters holding a cardboard sign and a tin cup at an intersection near you.


    Please turn union votes into a federal election that resembles voter registration.
    I can't quite tell which side you are being sarcastic about. You surely can't believe what I bolded above.

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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    originally appearing in the financial times of london, today

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    US public pensions face a shortfall of $2,500 billion that will force state and local governments to sell assets and make deep cuts to services, according to the former chairman of New Jersey’s pension fund.

    The severe US economic recession has cast a spotlight on years of fiscal mismanagement, including chronic underfunding of retirement promises.

    “States face cost pressure, most prominently from retirement benefits and Medicaid,” Orin Kramer told the Financial Times.

    “One consequence is that asset sales and privatisation will pick up. The very unfortunate consequence is that various safety nets for the most vulnerable citizens will be cut back.”

    Mr Kramer, an influential figure in the Democratic party and still a member of the investment council that oversees the New Jersey pension fund, has been an outspoken critic of public pension accounting, which allows for the averaging of investment gains and losses over a number of years through a process called “smoothing”.

    Using data from the states, the Pew Center on the States, a research group, has estimated a funding gap for pension, healthcare and other non-pension benefits, such as life assurance, of at least $1,000 billion as of the end of fiscal 2008.

    Chris Christie, the Republican governor of New Jersey, said in his state of the state speech last week that, without reform, the unfunded liability of the state’s pension system would rise from $54 billion now to $183 billion within 30 years.

    Mr Kramer’s estimates are based on the assets and liabilities of the top 25 public pension funds at the end of 2010. The gap has risen from an estimate of more than $2,000 billion at the end of 2009.

    Concerns about the financial health of local governments have sparked warnings of a rise in defaults for cities and towns and a sell-off in the $3,000 billion municipal bond market where they raise money.

    Last week, the interest rate on 30-year top rated municipal debt rose above 5 percent for the first time in about two years.

    The state of Pennsylvania, for example, last year advanced money to Harrisburg, its capital, so that the cash-strapped city could avoid a default on its general obligation bonds.

    In February, Illinois, which is facing an unfunded pension obligation of at least $80 billion, plans to sell $3.7 billion of bonds to pay for its annual contribution.
    our poor underpaid, underappreciated, overplied public employees with their paltry pensions...

    their pain is impartible

    party on, progressives

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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Card check can also lead to voter intimidation though
    I don't disagree.

    I was just pointing out that there are valid concerns on both sides. Not every business has it's management deter unions, and not every union organizer intimidates workers. But it's always the bad ones who ruin it for the rest.

    But I have as a part of my personal philosophy that no matter what kind of process is implemented there will always be a way to abuse it.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Maybe there's some historical or sociological subtlety I'm missing here, but it seems to me that if secret ballots are good enough for our elections (and they are, if we're careful to check voter registrations and use a method that leaves a paper trail), they should be good enough for permitting a body of workers to decide as a body whether or not to unionize.
    if the time table for getting the nlrb to hold an election was considerably less, say a week to ten days, instead of several months down the road, that would be great...but...having been involved in a union campaign at a former employer, once the employer got wind of the unionization drive, all kinds of intimidation started from the company side....'captive audience meetings' where we were shown video after video of 'union bad' and supposed 'union thugs' 'pressuring' people to sign union cards, the company ordered candy (suckers, lolipops) whose wrappers all said vote no!! or union no!, after that, individual meetings where we were told, that if the union got in, alot of the people we did work for would pull their work, that we would 'lose' our jobs, and that the company was 'under no obligation' to keep this site open, and that they were 'already looking to mexico' as a place to move operations.
    The company brass also came down from corporate to 'talk' to people on the floor, asking them 'how they could make the workplace better' and asking 'what problems were they having' and 'offering' to help the employee get his union authorization card back if he/she 'changed their mind'....it was amazing how much the company 'cared' when the threat of a union was hanging over their heads. we also had several very nice 'dinners' put on by the company, for , as they put it, in appreciation of all of our hard work and dedication(never in my previous 6 years there had the company did such a thing) the company did this campaign over a period of 3 months, until it became apparent that their scare tactics worked, and then, about 6 months later after enough 'evidence' had been 'gathered' (read manufactured) those that led the unionization drive were released for 'poor job performance'....

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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    hardly reason to scotch something as sacred to the american soul as the secret ballot

    let alone to SUE four sovereign states to force em to do so

    obama's white house is so outta touch with american mores, why, it's almost alien

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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    hardly reason to scotch something as sacred to the american soul as the secret ballot

    let alone to SUE four sovereign states to force em to do so

    obama's white house is so outta touch with american mores, why, it's almost alien
    "sacred" you insist
    infused with the "soul" of the nation

    where more than 50% have expressed their approval in writing, the election could also be termed "unnecessary"
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the election could also be termed "unnecessary"
    well, that's real american

    LOL!

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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    well, that's real american

    LOL!
    i think so, because it applies a common sense approach
    if more than half have signed up, the obvious conclusion can be drawn
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    how many are gonna sign on to new leadership?

    how many will help determine the issues to bargain for?

    how many will approve petitions to walk out?

    why can't arizona, utah, south dakota and south carolina insist on the american bedrock of voting in private?

    why must the nlrb SUE em?

    more power to you, party on

    seeya at the polls

    our ballots will be cast in a booth

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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    the company ordered candy (suckers, lolipops) whose wrappers all said vote no!!
    That is pretty harsh intimidation alright.

    the company did this campaign over a period of 3 months, until it became apparent that their scare tactics worked,
    So you would have rather not been scared and lost the whole company to Mexico???

    where more than 50% have expressed their approval in writing, the election could also be termed "unnecessary"
    I don’t think so. The idea that we know to be true is that you can make people sign the paper and then they won’t vote for the union.

    the obvious conclusion can be drawn
    I agree that the obvious conclusion would be that people were intimidated, bribed, etc.


    One more question. Were the people let go the same 300 pounders that sucked up a lot of the intimidating lollipops???

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