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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    and once the union is up, who's gonna run the local, what issues are we gonna stand up for, will or won't we walk out...

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    reading many of the posts here about the big bad unions is like listening to a group of eunuchs talk about the joys of sex.
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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    reading many of the posts here about the big bad unions is like listening to a group of eunuchs talk about the joys of sex.
    Unions; Bankrupting corporations and liberal states for 70 years.
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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Maybe there's some historical or sociological subtlety I'm missing here, but it seems to me that if secret ballots are good enough for our elections (and they are, if we're careful to check voter registrations and use a method that leaves a paper trail), they should be good enough for permitting a body of workers to decide as a body whether or not to unionize.
    Well, just to play devil's advocate...

    One problem with the secret ballot is the possibility of tainted elections, or ballot stuffing. So in actuality a group of workers could want to unionize and have voted for it, but the votes for it don't get counted, and so unionization doesn't happen even if more workers favor it.

    That's why there's a pro to card check - how people vote can be verified to prevent illegal voting procedures.
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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, just to play devil's advocate...

    One problem with the secret ballot is the possibility of tainted elections, or ballot stuffing. So in actuality a group of workers could want to unionize and have voted for it, but the votes for it don't get counted, and so unionization doesn't happen even if more workers favor it.

    That's why there's a pro to card check - how people vote can be verified to prevent illegal voting procedures.
    Card check can also lead to voter intimidation though
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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Why would you need to sign your name to anything?

    Why not just verify that you have a right to vote on the issue and then stick a slip of paper in a box?
    there MUST be a showing of not less than 30% of the employees before a union election can be held
    however, where 50% plus one seek the ability to conduct an election then there is no need to proceed further because the majority have already declared their support of a union at the workplace
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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    there MUST be a showing of not less than 30% of the employees before a union election can be held
    however, where 50% plus one seek the ability to conduct an election then there is no need to proceed further because the majority have already declared their support of a union at the workplace
    So, a system where Union Thugs can force people to sign for that 50.1% of the employees is fair. But secret ballots is bad.

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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    there MUST be a showing of not less than 30% of the employees before a union election can be held
    however, where 50% plus one seek the ability to conduct an election then there is no need to proceed further because the majority have already declared their support of a union at the workplace
    I understand every word of what you said. None of what you've said has explained to me what's wrong with a secret ballot system or why card check is better.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, just to play devil's advocate...

    One problem with the secret ballot is the possibility of tainted elections, or ballot stuffing. So in actuality a group of workers could want to unionize and have voted for it, but the votes for it don't get counted, and so unionization doesn't happen even if more workers favor it.

    That's why there's a pro to card check - how people vote can be verified to prevent illegal voting procedures.
    It would seem to me that whatever procedure you use to make sure that a card or a signature is valid could be used to ensure that a person has a right to cast a ballot. After that, all you need are election monitors and a reasonably secure balloting system, which isn't all that hard to set up even on a shoe-string budget.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Feds threaten to sue states over union laws

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Goodness gracious... and liberals claim to support the rights of workers... it is clear that they support UNIONS not workers...

    Also, what happened to States rights here? Are they going to assert the interstate commerce clause on this? That is a stretch...
    That's the key, they support unions, not workers. They support the unions, not teachers or students. Looks like they support BIG Union.
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