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AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

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Actually, if they can create the atmosphere and are to blame, then they are also right about political rhetoric.

I think I am one of the few left who actually blame the perpetrators themselves for their actions.
I think the same way too, however, there is one major difference. In Loughner's case, he was not motivated by right wing rhetoric where it looks like this guy actually did believe some of the left's rhetoric.
 
No Barb, you're not. If this is all you were saying, I have no problem with it. Specifically because you are correct. Conservatives, Palin, Rush, Beck, and the Tea Party had zero to do with what happened, and anyone who says different is a left wing hack who is doing nothing but policizing a tragedy to "stick it" to the other guy. I have nothing but disdain for these folks, both here and in the media. But what you are doing is going a step further. Instead of just defending yourselves against the lies and idiocy, you are producing the same lies and idiocy towards the left. Makes you all look just as bad and perpetuates the problem. You want it to stop? Keep defending yourselves against the stupidity, but stop the ridiculous attacks.

Damn RIGHT! The child-like mentality of tossing a hot potato (like what Hannity is doing) is Anti-American and flat out destructive to this Nation. All these conservatives are doing is :fueltofir and I dont appreciate it! FIRST we have the idiotic left making ass-hole remarks towards conservatives. NOW we have a fight on the playground with republicans (IE Hannity) being just as BAD! Ive been listening to the radio today and this is PURE HATRED towards each other! Its Un-American and will propogate to the destruction of the citizens love of our kick-ass Country!
 
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I think the same way too, however, there is one major difference. In Loughner's case, he was not motivated by right wing rhetoric where it looks like this guy actually did believe some of the left's rhetoric.

That is an assumption in both cases, and an excuse made in the second.
 
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I think the same way too, however, there is one major difference. In Loughner's case, he was not motivated by right wing rhetoric where it looks like this guy actually did believe some of the left's rhetoric.

Dude...... I am VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY mad at you right now. You SHOULD be smarter than THIS! :hm
 
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I think the same way too, however, there is one major difference. In Loughner's case, he was not motivated by right wing rhetoric where it looks like this guy actually did believe some of the left's rhetoric.

Perhaps... but perhaps the left wing rhetoric came about because of right wing rhetoric... which came about because of left wing rhetoric... which came about because of right wing rhetoric... which came about... Get what I'm saying? The blame does not fall on the left. The blame does not fall on the right. The blame falls on the atmosphere that extremists and pundits of both leans create. There are individual incidents that can be incited by either individual side, but that's not looking at the big picture at all.
 
So? How does that refer to anything I posted? One of the thing that grief counselors suggest is that the person grieving tell their story over and over, helping them to understand it and purge the emotions. I don't think that HOW he's doing it is helpful... no news agency is going to care about his mental health. They just want a news story that will incite others... into another news story. He needs to be talking to a mental health professional. I thought that was pretty clear.

I agree. I was being sarcastic. However the man needed help before Tuscon. Now he's out on every talk show, bad mouthing every conservative he can think of. Sorry but from his interviews, I'd say the man needs to be commited until he is found not to be a danger to himself or others. Gee.... that sounds familiar... Loughner wasn't allowed back to class until he had a mental evaluation stating that same thing. Too bad he wasn't forced to follow through. Instead he just didn't go back.
 
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Dude...... I am VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY mad at you right now. You SHOULD be smarter than THIS! :hm

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That is an assumption in both cases, and an excuse made in the second.
Well, except that if this guy blames the TEA Party where there was no connection, where did that belief come from?
 
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Perhaps... but perhaps the left wing rhetoric came about because of right wing rhetoric... which came about because of left wing rhetoric... which came about because of right wing rhetoric... which came about... Get what I'm saying? The blame does not fall on the left. The blame does not fall on the right. The blame falls on the atmosphere that extremists and pundits of both leans create. There are individual incidents that can be incited by either individual side, but that's not looking at the big picture at all.

No, the left wing rhetoric that came out were lies and speculation.
 
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No, the left wing rhetoric that came out were lies and speculation.

No you missed his bigger point, which is that stuff like this has been going on for a while. It is just more heated and noticeable because of the shooting.
 
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I think the same way too, however, there is one major difference. In Loughner's case, he was not motivated by right wing rhetoric where it looks like this guy actually did believe some of the left's rhetoric.

Exactly. The sheriff then krugman came out with lies and speculation and the media ran with it. Apologies and retractions from the left are in order.
 
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Dude...... I am VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY mad at you right now. You SHOULD be smarter than THIS! :hm
I don't think I've ever had a noodle pissed at me before. Sorry, GN, not trying to piss you off.
 
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No, the left wing rhetoric that came out were lies and speculation.

You completely missed my point, Barb. The left wing AND the right wing have been coming out with lies and speculation about many issues for YEARS. If you want to focus on ths small picture, you're never going to understand the big picture. Maybe you don't want to... I don't know. But this thing didn't start last Saturday.
 
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:unsure13: I made some home made chicken soup. Its yours! :thumbs:

There is very little fat in it (unlike OTHER THINGS!!! :soap ) and its all chicken breast meat. It has white beans and vegis and freah herbs too. Plus my breathern noodles! :cool:
 
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Exactly. The sheriff then krugman came out with lies and speculation and the media ran with it. Apologies and retractions from the left are in order.

Apologies and retractions are in order from those on the right who claimed that Loughner was a liberal. Apologies and retractions are in order from those on the right for those who are "birthers". You want me to go on? You want to focus on ONE side. ONE side didn't start or perpetuate this... no matter how badly you want/need it to be true. This goes back far further than Saturday.
 
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I just don't want him hurting anyone. I think Loughner's responsible for his actions. I feel the same way about this guy.

Neither do I! Which is why he needs some serious IMMEDIATE professional intervention.

The worst thing to do is just leave him alone. He is unstable - which is normal for victims after such an event.

I 1000% disagree! This man SHOULD be SENSITIVE to what happened! Not the opposite!!!
I detest this. Every RATIONAL person, democrat and repubs, should know this violence is created by a CRAZY son of a bitch!!! :soap

Why do you think a direct victim of a horrible incident such as this is capable of rationality?

I don't think he is capable of rationality which is unbelievably OBVIOUS - I think he's struggling to deal with what happened to him (in all the wrong ways) and he needs therapy - not judgment.

I will say it again:
He needs therapy to deal with his emotional issues from this and not judgment.

Everyone judging him should keep this in mind if you're ever the victim of a horrible tragedy like this - and if, God forbid, you're shot or something like that - and you want to blame everyone and everything - I'd say the same for you: therapy and help - not judgment and ridicule.
 
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:unsure13: I made some home made chicken soup. Its yours! :thumbs:

There is very little fat in it (unlike OTHER THINGS!!! :soap ) and its all chicken breast meat. It has white beans and vegis and freah herbs too. Plus my breathern noodles! :cool:

How'd you know I've been sick? HAVE YOU BEEN STALKING ME?!!! :shock:
 
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X-factor and others on the right in this thread.

Can you please provide any particular fact clearly showing this man's views regarding the Tea Party leader was inspired by any specific individuals in the media or politics comments regarding the responsibility of the Tea Party for the shooting? Do you have any fat or proof at all to suggest this was an act inspired by others and not something that came about due to his own thoughts and views?

And if you can't provide any facts but simple assumptions, guesses, and insinuations...could you please explain how that is ANY different than the bull**** some of those on the left were doing the past week?
 
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No you missed his bigger point, which is that stuff like this has been going on for a while. It is just more heated and noticeable because of the shooting.
It's more heated because of the lies that were told after the shooting.
Show me where heated political discourse had anything to do with this shooting.
Show me where it's right to accuse the tea party, sarah palin, dana perino for crying out loud, for having blood on their hands.
If anyone wants the rhetoric to tone down someone should tell the media. So far, no apologies, no retractions.
 
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Apologies and retractions are in order from those on the right who claimed that Loughner was a liberal. Apologies and retractions are in order from those on the right for those who are "birthers". You want me to go on? You want to focus on ONE side. ONE side didn't start or perpetuate this... no matter how badly you want/need it to be true. This goes back far further than Saturday.
Be honest though, CC. Aren't you curious what those left wingers who did blame the right are going to say about this? I am.
 
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I don't think I've ever had a noodle pissed at me before. Sorry, GN, not trying to piss you off.

I BEG of you that you look at THIS example. That BOTH sides are full of crap and BOTH spew propaganda. This is one of those VERY very times where you can see BOTH liberal AND conservative media SPINING! Im not asking you to be a Libertarian.... Im just BEGGING you to see whats is really going on in our beautiful Nation. The disgusting propaganda. Each side smacking each other. It MUST STOP! Its killing us. :boohoo: We must...... just MUST be better than this! NO MORE PROPAGANDA!!! please :(
 
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Ignoring the mental-health issue at hand or stomping your feet and calling Fuller a wretched person isn't going to SOLVE anything.

But go on - like children - throw your hissy fits like it's going to fix something. But you'd think that some adults would know better.

Oops! Guess not.
 
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It's more heated because of the lies that were told after the shooting.
Show me where heated political discourse had anything to do with this shooting.
Show me where it's right to accuse the tea party, sarah palin, dana perino for crying out loud, for having blood on their hands.
If anyone wants the rhetoric to tone down someone should tell the media. So far, no apologies, no retractions.

Political discourse had nothing to do with it, but when political pundits say something, they are under no obligation to retract or reprint anything, because they are really not held to any journalistic integrity. And the media could report on what they did at first because of what the Sheriff said, so they should say what has changed, but since they had a source within the police force saying it was because of the right wing, so they do not have to.

And it isn't right for people to be blaming it on anyone. And I expect to see apologies and retractions as soon as I see it from people who tried and pin it on the left.
 
Actually - if a victim who suffered wants to blame the party then I'm all for it . . . I never judge what someone in that situation thinks or feels and I won't hold it against them.

It's everyone else not directly affected that needs to stop the ridiculous rhetoric - but if a victim is hurt and angry then I'm not about to encourage them to *not* express that.

You have got to be kidding.

The logic of this statement is absent completely, but it does match up with a Liberal mind set that allows people to blame everyone but the one responsible and make wild and crazy unsubstantiated accusations as the Liberal wackos have been doing since the Crazy shooter went over the edge.

I would have to say Liberals are to blame for this outburst since they have spent the week making up stories and blaming everyone except President Bush.

If this case I hope the idiot gets some serious time in jail and maybe he'll learn not to act like a damn fool.
 
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Be honest though, CC. Aren't you curious what those left wingers who did blame the right are going to say about this? I am.

Am I curious? Not at all. They're hacks so I don't care what they say. Probably they'll either stay silent, stay in denial, make up something, or attack the right about something new. And 'round and 'round it goes. My only purpose for listening to what the left wing hacks say is to distance myself from them and to make them look silly by pointing out their idiocy, inaccuracy, and lack of logic or facts. My only puropose for listening to what the right wing hacks say is to make them look silly by pointing out their idiocy, inaccuracy, and lack of logic or facts. Notice that my purpose is pretty similar.
 
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