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AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

You have got to be kidding.

The logic of this statement is absent completely, but it does match up with a Liberal mind set that allows people to blame everyone but the one responsible and make wild and crazy unsubstantiated accusations as the Liberal wackos have been doing since the Crazy shooter went over the edge.

I would have to say Liberals are to blame for this outburst since they have spent the week making up stories and blaming everyone except President Bush.

If this case I hope the idiot gets some serious time in jail and maybe he'll learn not to act like a damn fool.

This post is an excellent example of being part of the problem and an excellent example of the ridiculous rhetoric from hacks that we are talking about.
 
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X-factor and others on the right in this thread.

Can you please provide any particular fact clearly showing this man's views regarding the Tea Party leader was inspired by any specific individuals in the media or politics comments regarding the responsibility of the Tea Party for the shooting? Do you have any fat or proof at all to suggest this was an act inspired by others and not something that came about due to his own thoughts and views?
Well, as I said, there was no legitimate link between Loughner and the TEA party in the first place, yet this guy seems to believe there was. who has been telling us that it was the TEA Party?

And if you can't provide any facts but simple assumptions, guesses, and insinuations...could you please explain how that is ANY different than the bull**** some of those on the left were doing the past week?
I'll go you one better and say that, even if it's indisputably proven that this guy believed and worshipped every left wing pundit, I'd say the responsibility for this guy's actions still rest with him. I said that about Loughner too, so I'm being consistent. I'll be interested to see if those on the left will be as well.
 
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The cops had to act here. You can't let a comment like that just go ignored. At the same time, I think a mental institute for a psych evaluation is probably the better option right now. Getting him some psychological help, or at least an evaluation, to see if this is less of a legitimate threat and more of something stress induced from the situation would be a good first step.
 
Then his anger should be targeted at he who was responsible for it, not following the liberal talking heads and blaming people (and making illegal threats against) who had nothing to do with it...
 
You have got to be kidding.

The logic of this statement is absent completely, but it does match up with a Liberal mind set that allows people to blame everyone but the one responsible and make wild and crazy unsubstantiated accusations as the Liberal wackos have been doing since the Crazy shooter went over the edge.

I would have to say Liberals are to blame for this outburst since they have spent the week making up stories and blaming everyone except President Bush.

If this case I hope the idiot gets some serious time in jail and maybe he'll learn not to act like a damn fool.

Read the thread - and more importantly, my posts which all explain my view.
 
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You completely missed my point, Barb. The left wing AND the right wing have been coming out with lies and speculation about many issues for YEARS. If you want to focus on ths small picture, you're never going to understand the big picture. Maybe you don't want to... I don't know. But this thing didn't start last Saturday.

Sorry, but I don't think my side has the reputation of lying the way the liberal (media) does. Though I admit, this is a new low, even for them.
If you call this focusing on a small picture, I'll have to disagree. This is a big picture after lots of little ones piling up in the past.
 
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Well, as I said, there was no legitimate link between Loughner and the TEA party in the first place, yet this guy seems to believe there was. who has been telling us that it was the TEA Party?

No one told Sarah Palin that a killing was going to happen ahead of time, how did she randomly know to put crosshairs on this congresswoman?

Seriously...could it possibly be that this guy...like many in the media, in politics, and on this forum...on his own volition came to that asinine idea on his own? Are you saying that's impossible?

And if its not impossible, then what proof do you have that his opinion came due to the "rhetoric" from people on the left in the aftermath of this and not due to his own thoughts and opinions?

I'll go you one better and say that, even if it's indisputably proven that this guy believed and worshipped every left wing pundit, I'd say the responsibility for this guy's actions still rest with him. I said that about Loughner too, so I'm being consistent. I'll be interested to see if those on the left will be as well.

Really? You've been consistent?

I must've missed your condemnation of individuals baselessly using this for political gain such as the following post which, when people made similar regarding the tea party you were all over them pointing out their ridiculousness:

The liberals and their lies are coming home to roost...

Great job people... Pat yourselves on the back and we'll all wait for the next time you incite violence with you lies and malicious rhetoric.

And really, you are CONSISTENT with comments like this?

No, the irony is in that certain left wing pundits seem to now have created the very atmosphere they wrongly bashed the TEA party for.

I thought in the all the threads that were blaming the tea party you were saying how there's no proof that the tea party in any way influenced this man through their "atmosphere". Yet somehow you're amking a claim that the "left wing pundits" DID create the "Very atmosphere" that you were saying they were wrong about with regards to the Tea Party.

It seems you're not even consistent in this thread, let alone with your stance over the past week.

For further evidence, how about this post

I think the same way too, however, there is one major difference. In Loughner's case, he was not motivated by right wing rhetoric where it looks like this guy actually did believe some of the left's rhetoric.

Sure seems like you're making a claim that this guy WAS motivated by "the left's rhetoric". So again, I ask you...where's your proof on this? Are are you just capitalizing on coincidences and assumptions with absolutely no proof in hopes of pushing a political agenda and taking advantage of death threats for your own partisan reasons?

Seriously, you're not consistent save for in your attempts to act like you are with hollow words here or there that are betrayed when someone looks at your other posts in the thread.
 
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Ignoring the mental-health issue at hand or stomping your feet and calling Fuller a wretched person isn't going to SOLVE anything.

But go on - like children - throw your hissy fits like it's going to fix something. But you'd think that some adults would know better.

Oops! Guess not.
Aunt, if we let every body who has mental issues off the hook, nobody would ever be held accountable for anything.
 
I would have to say Liberals are to blame for this outburst since they have spent the week making up stories and blaming everyone except President Bush.

I'll ask your as well. Show me more PROOF that this man's opinion was formed due to being influenced by liberal commentators suggesting it was the Tea Party's fault rather than due to his own views and thoughts on the situation than was provided when people suggested that conservatives were to blame for the killing?
 
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Sorry, but I don't think my side has the reputation of lying the way the liberal (media) does. Though I admit, this is a new low, even for them.
If you call this focusing on a small picture, I'll have to disagree. This is a big picture after lots of little ones piling up in the past.

You've got to be kidding, Barb. This just shows that you refuse to consider that your side can do anything wrong. Conservative pudits have an AWFUL reputation as liars. Just like the liberals ones. You're completely missing the big picture, seemingly, because you just want to blame the left. You have a conclusion and then you find information to prove your conclusion correct... avoiding anything that disputes your conclusion. That is being biased and demonstrates that you DON'T see the big picture.
 
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Is it an "ACME" anvil? Just curious...

Sadly, acrimonious political discourse has only worsened in the past week... Football seems civilized by comparison...
 
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Apologies and retractions are in order from those on the right who claimed that Loughner was a liberal. Apologies and retractions are in order from those on the right for those who are "birthers". You want me to go on? You want to focus on ONE side. ONE side didn't start or perpetuate this... no matter how badly you want/need it to be true. This goes back far further than Saturday.

What do birthers have to do with anything? What about truthers? What about GW alarmists? As far as I'm concerned they're allowed to believe any silly thing they want as long as they're not hurting anyone.
Why should those who said loughner seemed like more of a liberal than a conservative have to apologize for stating a fact against the lies that he was on the right?
I'm focused on one side because one side did start this.
 
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The cops had to act here. You can't let a comment like that just go ignored. At the same time, I think a mental institute for a psych evaluation is probably the better option right now. Getting him some psychological help, or at least an evaluation, to see if this is less of a legitimate threat and more of something stress induced from the situation would be a good first step.

I agree! There is a mental problem here. Ed Shultz is a problem that added to the whole whirlwind of foolishness. I listened to him yesterday and the day before. Although both sides are to blame NOW..... the democrats started this! Thing is.......... ALLL OF US CAN STOP THIS!!!! (plus realize that these salesmen spin doctors are dividing this Nation upon thier own good!)
 
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I think I agree with Aunt Spiker here. We need to make sure this shooting victim gets the help he needs. You can’t blame him for seething with anger after seeing what he saw, getting shot and most likely coming to terms with the fact that he was going to die in that moment. Then his dill weed sheriff and the media turn this into a political food fight.


The subject victim and I are probably at polar ends of the political spectrum but people need to back off and give this guy some time to work out his issues.

That means we should hate on any news crew who puts a mike and camera in his face in the future. Don't put him in the spotlight because it isn't good for him and it isn't good for the country.
 
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Arizona Shooting Victim Criticizes Palin, Beck and Fox News | Media Matters for America

I can't believe I'm posting a link to MM.
Maybe someone should lock me up because I must be losing my mind.
Anyway, this Fuller sounds dangerous to me and if all we learn from this is that we need improvement as far as diagnosing and treating the mentally ill, that would be a good thing. This guy may show up at a Sarah Palin Rally and take out as many people as possible.
I understand the police released him? :(

Lock him up... you are now certifiable for linking to MM....
 
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The cops had to act here. You can't let a comment like that just go ignored. At the same time, I think a mental institute for a psych evaluation is probably the better option right now. Getting him some psychological help, or at least an evaluation, to see if this is less of a legitimate threat and more of something stress induced from the situation would be a good first step.

I agree completely. Here's a story. About 7 years ago, in a local high school, the senior class went on a school sponsored whitewater rafting trip. They were all told to wear life jackets. One student decided not to and, the raft capsized and he drowed. I was called in to do some crisis intervention with the student body to help them to cope with the issue. As part of their grieving process, many students, in the bargaining/anger stage, took out their grief on the school and the school officials. It was the school's fault for having the trip. It was the school's fault for not forcing him to wear the life jacket. It was the school's fault for not telling the students what happened soon enough. Many students blamed the school... out of their anger and grief, to try to make sense of an completely tragic and uncontrolled event. This is common in tragedies. My job, as a crisis interventionist was to help the students to calm down, discuss what really happened, help them to make associations in their own lives, and to help them to talk. The school was not to blame, and the students were held accountable for the disruptions they caused because of their false blaming. Didn't change the fact that this is how they felt. They needed help from trained professionals. So does Fuller.
 
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Just heard on Geraldo that Fuller is under a 72 hr watch/evalution in some kind of hospital. something like that. This is good news.
 
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What do birthers have to do with anything? What about truthers? What about GW alarmists? As far as I'm concerned they're allowed to believe any silly thing they want as long as they're not hurting anyone.

Yet you only go after silly things that the left says, never the right. You do not see the big picture at all. ALL of these things hurt people. Misinformation makes people believe things that are not true and then act on them.

Why should those who said loughner seemed like more of a liberal than a conservative have to apologize for stating a fact against the lies that he was on the right?

Because a lie from the right is EQUAL to a lie from the left. Again, you refuse to take any responsibility for the behaviors of your side. You continue to demonstrate that you avoid looking a the entire picture because it might actually challenge you to consider that your side has responsibility.

I'm focused on one side because one side did start this.

Hack statement. This goes back far further than Saturday. Your side is just as responsible.
 
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Just heard on Geraldo that Fuller is under a 72 hr watch/evalution in some kind of hospital. something like that. This is good news.

Excellent. That is precisely where he needs to be.
 
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I find those that are criticizing this man a bit distasteful. He got shot a few days ago and obviously is very emotional about the whole thing. I hope he gets past this.
 
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I find those that are criticizing this man a bit distasteful. He got shot a few days ago and obviously is very emotional about the whole thing. I hope he gets past this.

He maybe emotional, but it doesn't excuse everything that he did. I mean hell, when my best friend killed himself, I went out got completely trashed and sent texts to my friends that hinted I may do the same. Obviously, I was very upset and did stupid things that once sober people realized I wasn't going to do, but I still had to deal with what I did.
 
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He maybe emotional, but it doesn't excuse everything that he did. I mean hell, when my best friend killed himself, I went out got completely trashed and sent texts to my friends that hinted I may do the same. Obviously, I was very upset and did stupid things that once sober people realized I wasn't going to do, but I still had to deal with what I did.

This is true. Even in his mental state, there is responsibility for his actions. His mental state tells us why he's doing it and how to handle it, but it does not excuse the behavior.
 
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Yet you only go after silly things that the left says, never the right. You do not see the big picture at all. ALL of these things hurt people. Misinformation makes people believe things that are not true and then act on them.



Because a lie from the right is EQUAL to a lie from the left. Again, you refuse to take any responsibility for the behaviors of your side. You continue to demonstrate that you avoid looking a the entire picture because it might actually challenge you to consider that your side has responsibility.



Hack statement. This goes back far further than Saturday. Your side is just as responsible.

I must have missed your outrage at the sheriff following said sheriff's news briefing the night of the shooting.
 
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Aunt, if we let every body who has mental issues off the hook, nobody would ever be held accountable for anything.

*snip*
Wait a minute - on second thought - what the hell is your point, here? Are you actually suggesting that we shouldn't try to rehabilitate people who are suffering from mental illnesses and emotional problems? Gee - let's just throw the baby out with the bathwater, then, yeah?

Fuller is having issues dealing with what happened to him - he needs medical assistance and intervention so he can move on with his life in a *good way* - he's not a thug on a street corner.

If they had given notice and adequate medical intervention and threw Loughner in the psych-ward because he was a proven a threat to OTHERS then Fuller wouldn't even BE injured and struggling to recover right now.

So obviously - YES - the importance of helping those who have MENTAL issues is VERY important.

But an amount of understanding should be extended to Fuller - you don't have to AGREE with him (heavens - I don't) - but people MUST understand that being a victim of a horrible tragedy is VERY hard for the mind to cope with.

People all to often DON'T care and DON'T give such people the medical help they need - and the individual, their families - or others they know - suffer, often with their own lives.

Need I go into suicide and family-homicide horror stories from the countless soldiers who are suffering from PTSD and *don't get help for their mental problems?*

*why* is it that whenever someone is given *medical help* in a psych-ward people ALWAYS toss around the notion that said individual is 'getting off the hook' or 'being coddled'

Have you been institutionalized? Was it fun or something?

The system FAILED to protect Fuller and the many others - I think we at least OWE Fuller *that much* help on his path to real recovery.
 
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