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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wife is getting grumpy and so its time to head to bed. I actually enjoyed the exchange. I still dont think that this guy is even close to criteria for a PTSD diagnosis (again...with the caveat that we know little of his past). No doubt he siffered a traumatic event. But his behaviors arent significantly different from his past. All I can do is take him at his words.

    "Today I'm back on my feet, more or less, and I'm in a combative mood," Fuller said as he limped across the store parking lot. "It's helping me. I've never had any trauma like this in my life."

    Later, he showed up at the home of accused gunman Jared Loughner, who lived within a half-mile of Fuller. "He said he was going to forgive him for shooting him," Richard Elder, 86, a retired medical mechanic who lives next door to Fuller, told The Associated Press Sunday. "If anyone shot me, I don't think I'd say, 'Hey feller, that's alright.'"
    Fuller posted about eight campaign signs in front of his house during the last election, including one for Giffords. And although Fuller was friendly, he acted odd sometimes, Elder said. Once, Fuller asked him if he was going to vote. "I told him there are two things I don't talk about: politics or religion. I told him that, and he walked off without another word." He said Fuller had shown him his bullet wounds and seemed to be dealing with the shooting well."

    As I said, I dont think the guy should go to jail. I dont see a value to it. I think if the 'victim' of his threat (time to put on the big boy pants) were a smart man, he would offer to meet with the guy, talk to him, show a little class. For some reason I dont have much hope of that happening.
    Anyone who has gone to war, seen a horrible event at any point in their life or suffered from a heinous crime is a possible case of PTSD.
    It's quite common - and everyone's affected differently.

    My husband's been diagnosed with it - and so have countless others. It's just a part of life in the aftermath of said circumstances.

    But just reading a few lines in an article isn't going to be grounds for a diagnosis - Fuller's been hospitalized and they'll figure him out one way or another. If they determine he's a possible threat to others they won't let him go - they will detain him one way or another and try to treat him.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Anyone who has gone to war, seen a horrible event at any point in their life or suffered from a heinous crime is a possible case of PTSD.
    It's quite common - and everyone's affected differently.

    My husband's been diagnosed with it - and so have countless others. It's just a part of life in the aftermath of said circumstances.

    But just reading a few lines in an article isn't going to be grounds for a diagnosis - Fuller's been hospitalized and they'll figure him out one way or another. If they determine he's a possible threat to others they won't let him go - they will detain him one way or another and try to treat him.

    As it should be.
    I understand the diagnosis. I also understand the criteria. Im not diagnosing the man...simply stating that based on this traumatic event he doesnt meet criteria for a diagnosis of PTSD and based on his current and recent behaviors prior to the incident there arent indicators of significant behavioral change. We dont know (as I have acknowledged numerous times) what his past history is. Even with a previous diagnosis of PTSD his current behaviors run contradictory to the diagnositic criteria.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I understand the diagnosis. I also understand the criteria. Im not diagnosing the man...simply stating that based on this traumatic event he doesnt meet criteria for a diagnosis of PTSD and based on his current and recent behaviors prior to the incident there arent indicators of significant behavioral change. We dont know (as I have acknowledged numerous times) what his past history is. Even with a previous diagnosis of PTSD his current behaviors run contradictory to the diagnositic criteria.
    If you understood PTSD then you'd realize that there is no cookie-cutter diagnosis. And sometimes it's not easy to realize someone even has it *or* when they developed it. Symptoms can worsen over time.

    It's just a fact of the way things go. My husband is head of a warrior transition unit - he deals with latent PTSD all the time. It's a serious and often unknown issue that many deal with - and many are diagnosed when they, themselves, refuse to see they're having issues.

    Fuller was hospitalized, as he should have been - and only in that way will a real diagnosis come out.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    I doubt that PTSD had anything to do with this guy wanting to kill a person who had nothing to go with him being shot. The guy is a rabid liberal and wants to hate the right and the Tea Party people are right.

    A good friend of mine had PTSD back in 1968. On August 6th 1968 he was loading bombs at the biggest bomb bump in the world - we had a capacity of more that 250K bombs – when one of the bombs ruptured and blew him off of his forklift. He flew about fifty feet threw the air and hit on his back. The rest of the crew thought that he was dead – those that thought about Jim before they jumped on the truck and left Jim on the street to die. Luckily for Jim he was not dead so he got up and fan after the truck.

    I have to say that the smart move for the crew chief was to get as many men out as quick as possible. When the bomb ruptured it caught fire and the rule is that when high explosives are exposed to fire you have from 0 to 5 minutes to get away. Our accident lasted thirty minutes before 400 750 pound bombs exploded high order. By then Jim was in the hospital with deep burses on his chest – from the blast and on his back from hitting the ground.

    In the days that followed Jim did some weird things. He was left to rest in the squadron area so he spent the days and nights drinking for about a month. When he came back to the bomb dump he couldn’t put his foot on the ladder to get back on a forklift. He tried but his foot would shake and he had to put it back on the ground. Jim should have been sent back to a base in Mississippi where he lived but they kept him there the rest of the year.

    I don’t know how Jim is doing after all of these years but I wouldn’t be surprised if he is still a changed man. In most of these cases people are killed. Out of the three accidents that we knew of in Thailand – up north –from two to five people were killed each time. You get blown up by 60 tons of high explosives and your mother of wife will get a box of rocks with your name on it.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    This guy sounds like Sheriff Dumbass' top deputy.

    Do they realize how stupid they make liberals look? They might as well blame the shooting on global warming or the killing of baby seals.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    The Left-wing can only spout their inner core of character ..
    they are the perpetrators of projection ..
    the Left-wing is totally guilty of what they accuse the Right-wing of . . .
    I think they would like to create a platform for violence
    ( since they can't win at the ballot box or the arena of ideas ) . . . yes,
    the verbal violence is now on parade ..
    come join me where this issue is a little more defined . . . please click here
    yall have a great day ..
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Apparently it is the people trying to blame the Tea party,Sara Palin and conservative talk show hosts for inciting violence who are the ones inciting people.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    this attempt to diagnose mr fuller based on a couple paragraphs of copy and, perhaps, a photo flashed on tv is completely unprofessional

    and utterly laughable

    party on, peeps

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oh sorry - didn't see your question.
    By the law they did the right thing - he posed a direct threat and they responded to his actions.

    But I think he's having serious issues and should be placed first and foremost in the care of a psychiatric unit for a little while. . .He needs *help* - not a trial

    I still don't look *down* on him for what he's feeling. . .do I agree with him or encourage him to act on his feelings? no - but I don't think he's a horrible person for struggling with this.

    I really truly hope he pulls through and is given the care he needs. If he pulls through then maybe he'll see things with a different - more reasonable - perspective.

    But then again - he might struggle with these issues his whole entire life. (I pray not, though).
    If he "needs" help then he should have gotten help. He didn't, now he will go to trial. Cause and effect. Everyone lives by the consequences of their actions.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    This guy should be charged, hopefully he gets a deal with the DA for some mental help....


    The media vultures picking at this mans carcus to attach this tragedy to the right, should all be hit by a bus..... twice.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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